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    The N54 hybrid graveyard - MMP, Hexon, FrankenTurbo, etc.?

    Saw someone asking about MMP and the recent Dynamic Autowerx claims and it just got me thinking. How many companies have come and gone after making big claims on the platform that morons bought into?

    Hexon
    MMP
    JPworkz doesn't really count as that's a scammer but still
    FrankenTurbo

    Dynamic Autowerx probably soon to join?

    Who am I missing?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Brule Click here to enlarge
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    Oh come on... let's not turn this into a vendor pissing match.

    Just a list of those who have come and gone.
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    Brule stop smoking the wacki tabbaki
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    On the twin front there were MANY Stage 1 type setups back in the day, all claiming to be be the bees knees. Many/most failed fairly quickly.

    Some other worthy setups have came and gone, some of which were actually decent setups (ie. ASR's debut of the first true Stage 2 N54 setup). While the market removal of some of these units were quality issue driven (ie. Hexon), there is no doubt several simply bailed due to excess competition. To be quite honest there is a point where you should follow the $$$, there comes a point where a vendor should ask themselves for example "would I rather make $40 per hour, or $120 per hour" or the like. Supporting the N54 platform, without leveraging China resellers anyway, certainly is well beyond lucrative any longer.

    This was once a very tough business as unfortunately the machines that a turbo builder really needed at their disposal to build OE caliber turbos simply were not scaled down enough, and thus not affordable for most small shops which left them (us) using less than adequate equipment. Many still use that older cheaper stuff as even now the equipment is far from cheap, but in the past decade the high end equipment has been scaled down and become much more affordable than it ever was prior.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Rob@RBTurbo Click here to enlarge
    Supporting the N54 platform, without leveraging China resellers anyway, certainly is well beyond lucrative any longer.
    It's been clear for a while.

    Nice to see you moving into the S55 though. I'm sure the S58 will follow.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It's been clear for a while.

    Nice to see you moving into the S55 though. I'm sure the S58 will follow.
    Indeed it has but the N54 business has always continued pretty strong, very surprising after a decade but work is work and we still have to be thankful for that. At the same time it will be nice to offer products that offer significantly more margins, as stated above the N54 competition has grown fierce with all the China stuff floating around, those vendors who have any significant overhead without a doubt either have to be outsourcing (or going elsewhere for any worthwhile revenue).

    We've had many parts for quite a while for most other BMW engine platforms and can't wait to start getting them going finally, it is looking like 2020 will be the start of some new options in that regard.

    Rob

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    Turbo Dynamics UK
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    Helix Motorsport
    RD Sport/Racing Dynamics
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    Turbo Lab of America
    Vivid Racing
    ASR
    Bullseye Power - BatMoWheel drop-in compressor, not full turbos

    All seem to have gone the way of the dodo, I'm probably forgetting some others though.
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    is frankescammer still active on facebook?

    I think turbolab will still hack up your turbos for you.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Snertz Click here to enlarge
    Turbo Dynamics UK
    Dinan
    Helix Motorsport
    RD Sport/Racing Dynamics
    GT Pro
    Turbo Lab of America
    Vivid Racing
    ASR
    Bullseye Power - BatMoWheel drop-in compressor, not full turbos

    All seem to have gone the way of the dodo, I'm probably forgetting some others though.
    Good list. Think there was an AWD Motorsports (Stage 1) for a good bit there too.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fredcase Click here to enlarge
    is frankescammer still active on facebook?
    Yep still around, they posted just a few days ago.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Rob@RBTurbo Click here to enlarge
    Good list. Think there was an AWD Motorsports (Stage 1) for a good bit there too.
    You're right, looks like late 2010/early2011ish.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Snertz Click here to enlarge
    You're right, looks like late 2010/early2011ish.
    Yeah, you are right though there are probably another 5+ that passed through.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fredcase Click here to enlarge
    is frankescammer still active on facebook?

    I think turbolab will still hack up your turbos for you.
    Yeah it seems Doug is still going. I cant keep up he seems to try to update them every few months.

    It is a shame that there have been so many bad upgrade options with a high failure rate. On the Facebook groups if anyone asks for a twin recommendation, 90% of the answers will be "Go single, twins suck". Most of the people offering advice are driving clapped out 335's with stock turbos.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blaster3500 Click here to enlarge
    Yeah it seems Doug is still going. I cant keep up he seems to try to update them every few months.

    It is a shame that there have been so many bad upgrade options with a high failure rate. On the Facebook groups if anyone asks for a twin recommendation, 90% of the answers will be "Go single, twins suck". Most of the people offering advice are driving clapped out 335's with stock turbos.
    Looks like he is only a few weeks away from a 4 year anniversary then, not bad!
    https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36755

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blaster3500 Click here to enlarge
    Yeah it seems Doug is still going. I cant keep up he seems to try to update them every few months.

    It is a shame that there have been so many bad upgrade options with a high failure rate. On the Facebook groups if anyone asks for a twin recommendation, 90% of the answers will be "Go single, twins suck". Most of the people offering advice are driving clapped out 335's with stock turbos.
    Makes sense, why put $2k turbos on my $3k car. when i can get $1k turbos and drive it till she blows.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Snertz Click here to enlarge
    Turbo Dynamics UK
    Dinan
    Helix Motorsport
    RD Sport/Racing Dynamics
    GT Pro
    Turbo Lab of America
    Vivid Racing
    ASR
    Bullseye Power - BatMoWheel drop-in compressor, not full turbos

    All seem to have gone the way of the dodo, I'm probably forgetting some others though.
    What I was looking for.

    Nice list!
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    Lol, $#@!ing batmowheels... I know people that swear they work (in other platforms), but it just sounds like nonsense to me. didn't even borg warner call them out?

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    3 of these still have active sites, and there’s 1 that will actually still build a turbo. Why are they refered to as gone?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JuniorB Click here to enlarge
    3 of these still have active sites, and there’s 1 that will actually still build a turbo. Why are they refered to as gone?
    Because for all intents and purposes they are.

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    its a shorter list to figure out who still makes twins. Why no one has used a reputable turbo company to make twin set up is my next question.

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    Definitely agree there is a short list, depending what your after. These turbos are so easy to build, it’s the matching that has taken a back seat, and with that, quality control has suffered. I’d someone is a dedicated builder, like an engine builder, you’ll have a turbo that will last a long time.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by blaster3500 Click here to enlarge
    On the Facebook groups if anyone asks for a twin recommendation, 90% of the answers will be "Go single, twins suck".
    That is the right answer unless you have E85 access or don't want above 500whp on pump.

    Please anyone tell me I am wrong. With facts of course Click here to enlarge

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Torgus Click here to enlarge
    That is the right answer unless you have E85 access or don't want above 500whp on pump.

    Please anyone tell me I am wrong. With facts of course Click here to enlarge
    High backpressure (caused by restrictive hot sides) causes reversion which needs big octane to "overcome". For this reason, historically anyway, ST's have been the place to be to get the most out of lower octane. However with the release of the RB GF's, more than ever anyway (and by a hefty margin), we should start seeing some very nice reliable (and repeatable) figures on basic pump gas out of twins. These new housings are no joke.

    Rob

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Rob@RBTurbo Click here to enlarge
    Big backpressure (caused by restrictive hot sides) causes reversion needs big octane to "overcome". For this reason, historically anyway, ST's have been the place to be to get the most out of lower octane. However with the release of the RB GF's, more than ever anyway (and by a hefty margin), we should start seeing some very nice reliable (and repeatable) figures on basic pump gas out of twins.

    Rob
    Yours are the only twins anyone should consider Click here to enlarge

    Fully optioned out GFs + downpipes, inlets, outlets, has got to be close to the cost of a single turbo I would imagine. Granted most people already have some if not all of those other mods when it is time to upgrade their turbo(s)

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