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    • MKV Supra design leaks - Toyota using BMW B58 power?

      There are still many questions here but apparently this is the new MKV Toyota Supra. This info comes from Japan's Best Car Magazine which says the Supra has a 3.0 liter turbocharged inline-6 with 335 horsepower and 332 lb-ft of torque.


      That sure sounds like a BMW B58 powerplant as Toyota doesn't have a modern turbo I6 in a street car we are aware of.

      Only one transmission choice is mentioned which is an automatic.

      Somehow this doesn't feel like a proper homage to the MKIV Supra.






      This article was originally published in forum thread: MKV Supra design leaks - Toyota using BMW B58 power? started by Sticky View original post
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      1. quattr0's Avatar
        quattr0 -
        This is sad....While I understand this is a collaboration w BMW but am disappointed.

        Lotus uses Toyota supercharged in its kick ass gt430 and Toyota uses BMW engine? Oh well.
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Toyota had a chance to make a GTR competitor. They have millions of people who admire their quality and if they were to come out with a GTR-like performance car it would sell out, I have no doubt.

        Instead they made a conscious decision to make an upgraded Scion FRS....How do you say disappointment in Japanese?

        So it took them a quarter century to shave off 300lbs and add 15hp Click here to enlarge

        The 1993 MKIV Supra TT
        3,600lbs
        320hp

        25 years later...

        The 2018 "MKV Supra"
        3,300lbs (5 inches shorter than MKIV)
        335hp (if its the B58 its an ordinary 340i engine....)

        I don't really know what I was expecting the M-Division isn't letting any partner share it's motors so i guess the B58 is the only choice really....
      1. Stevenh's Avatar
        Stevenh -
        Two decades of hype and this is what we get?
      1. ///MPOSTER's Avatar
        ///MPOSTER -
        • Three engines (EU-only 195hp 20i, 255hp 30i, and 335hp 40i - and this means the 380hp Z4 M40i will be offered only by BMW and only in North America and a few other non-EU markets).
      1. ///MPOSTER's Avatar
        ///MPOSTER -
        This picture reminds me a lot of the previous gen Z4 body

        Attachment 56206

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      1. imola_shaun's Avatar
        imola_shaun -
        If that's the way it looks, at least it looks pretty special and unique. Not sure if it looks good though
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Stevenh Click here to enlarge
        Two decades of hype and this is what we get?
        WTF was the point of all of this? Toyota craps money. They didn't need to bother with any of this.
      1. ///MPOSTER's Avatar
        ///MPOSTER -
        Looks like it’s based off the FT but crunches down and smaller.


      1. ///MPOSTER's Avatar
        ///MPOSTER -
        Here is the old video in 2015

      1. daedoe's Avatar
        daedoe -
        Well, they changed the mirrors and headlights to something that would be production. Maybe they are going to really make this thing. I just wish they put a modified s55 in to it. Atleast then it will compete with the GTR up to 1000whp. The S55 market would boom aswell.
      1. 93siro's Avatar
        93siro -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bowser330 Click here to enlarge
        Toyota had a chance to make a GTR competitor. They have millions of people who admire their quality and if they were to come out with a GTR-like performance car it would sell out, I have no doubt.

        Instead they made a conscious decision to make an upgraded Scion FRS....How do you say disappointment in Japanese?

        So it took them a quarter century to shave off 300lbs and add 15hp Click here to enlarge

        The 1993 MKIV Supra TT
        3,600lbs
        320hp

        25 years later...

        The 2018 "MKV Supra"
        3,300lbs (5 inches shorter than MKIV)
        335hp (if its the B58 its an ordinary 340i engine....)

        I don't really know what I was expecting the M-Division isn't letting any partner share it's motors so i guess the B58 is the only choice really....
        That Supra turbo nearly had the same price as Corvette ZR1 and Carrera. I bet this car will be whole lot cheaper, something to have in mind.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 93siro Click here to enlarge
        I bet this car will be whole lot cheaper, something to have in mind.
        But it won't run with a Carrera or ZR1...
      1. ///MPOSTER's Avatar
        ///MPOSTER -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        But it won't run with a Carrera or ZR1...

        The carrerra at 370hp? Wouldn’t it be close as the M40i Z4 would have the 380HP version? A quick flash to the Z4 —>Supra would solve the difference.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ///MPOSTER Click here to enlarge
        The carrerra at 370hp?
        That's right. Runs 11.8 @ 118 stock...
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        You have to keep in mind this is a Z4 underneath. They won't be delivering some world beating sports car.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        You have to keep in mind this is a Z4 underneath. They won't be delivering some world beating sports car.
        Why would Toyota even do that to the Supra nameplate? It's so stupid.

        Here's a new Supra guys! It's a Z4 but hey, new Supra!
      1. Bowser330's Avatar
        Bowser330 -
        Toyota should have tried to capitalize on the Supra fame and popularity by making something upmarket like Nissan did with the GTR.
        R34 GTRs were not 100k cars, they were 50k cars and were amazing performance cars. Nissan moves the GTR upmarket, made it a premium offering, and made it an amazing performer.

        instead of the above Toyota chose to compete with the 370z, Audi TT, mustang, boxster, and genesis coupe......way to go Toyota!
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Why would Toyota even do that to the Supra nameplate? It's so stupid.

        Here's a new Supra guys! It's a Z4 but hey, new Supra!
        Not sure why they went this route. They have plenty of cash to produce cars on their own.

        Supposedly there will be multiple trims available. Ending with the Supra GRMN(Gazoo Racing tuned by Meisters of the Nurburgring). Which will feature the BMW's 40i, inline six.

        Could be a good thing for BMW aftermarket scene. The Japanese market will tune the sh*t out of that BMW motor. Maybe get some parts trickle over to BMW side.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Supposedly there will be multiple trims available. Ending with the Supra GRMN(Gazoo Racing tuned by Meisters of the Nurburgring). Which will feature the BMW's 40i, inline six.

        Could be a good thing for BMW aftermarket scene. The Japanese market will tune the sh*t out of that BMW motor. Maybe get some parts trickle over to BMW side.
        That's true.

        I'll take it as a positive then.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        MKV's insider has some new info to share.

        https://www.supramkv.com/threads/int...da.787/page-18

        ust got an update on the car from Toyota USA source:

        Sub 3000lb curb weight confirmed for production car, carbon roof is standard, and worldwide release is in April 2019.

        Covered these forever ago, but nice to see the information is still accurate (though not shocking this late in development). Also, looks like production may indeed begin in the November/December 2018 window as originally reported.
        Turns out car does not have a B58 or S58 and is instead a totally new design, but I cannot give details aside from it being an I6 sourced from BMW.

        I thought it was gonna end up being new architecture, but I thought it would be derived from an existing design; apparently it is not.
        Couldn't get that out of them, but apparently there will only be a single model on launch, so I think it may be $55k only for now. entry level model is more or less aimed at Europe if its produced and see below.

        the 4cyl thing is still being developed surprisingly (Toyota isn't really involved I guess), there is no NA I6, and BMW has no idea which motor they want to offer or if multiple.