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    • End of Underground Racing V10 turbo dominance? Syvecs releases plug and play Audi + Lamborghini V10 ECU with dual direct and port injection fuel system control

      Now this is a pretty big deal. Everyone is obviously aware of Underground Racing twin turbo V10 builds and the absurd amount of horsepower they put out. What makes the magic happen is not just their hardware but sophisticated tuning. Their tuning by John Reed using a Motec standalone in conjunction with the factory DME had no real rival... until now.


      Syvecs released a standalone ECU that is completely plug in play with Audi R8 and Lamborghini V10 motors. It also supports the V8. Now what is the big deal? Well the big deal is it replaces the factory computer while supporting all factory functions. That means no compromises or loss of creature comforts.

      Additionally, the Syvecs standalone is capable of controlling the direct injection system. That in of itself is impressive. However, the standalone is capable of controlling 20 injectors in total. That means you can have a direct injection system combined with a port injection system to provide fuel for a big horsepower turbo build. Now you see the big deal?

      In theory now anyone can put together a turbo kit themselves as tuning options have opened up along with fueling options. Maybe we will finally see what the R8 V8 can do as well now that it can finally have the fuel that has held back built motor turbo setups.

      Now what about the other features? Here is a quick rundown:

      - 12 on the fly adjustable maps vis OEM controls
      - Flex fuel control
      - Cruise control
      - Rolling anti-lag
      - Launch control system which builds boost at the line
      - Onboard datalogging
      - Adjustable traction control system vis OEM controls

      Now that all sounds pretty awesome. What sounds even more awesome is that the Audi/Lamborghini R8 and Gallardo tuning world has opened up and we should see prices tumble. Not to take away anything from Underground Racing as they are the premier option on the platform but competition is a good thing.

      Well done Syvecs, much respect from the performance tuning community.


      This article was originally published in forum thread: End of Underground Racing V10 turbo dominance? Syvecs releases plug and play Audi + Lamborghini V10 ECU with dual direct and port injection fuel system control started by Sticky View original post
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      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MonsterM3 Click here to enlarge
        again, not a huge deal. does UGR own the rights to motec? So no one can buy the motec for a lambo? tuning the lambo can only be done by one man even if you buy the motec? the answer is of course no to all of them, nothing but time and $ have prevented people from doing it.
        Absolutely but then someone has to figure out how to get it work with the factory DME and get the tuning down which they have a pro guy who does Motec setups for cars do. I don't think that is a talent level just available to anyone.

        The difference here is the Syvecs ECU plugs right in and far more tuners will be able to work with it as it is simply plug and play AND it supports dual injection along with other functions.

        If you don't think it's a big deal that's fine. I think it's a big deal.
      1. subaru335i's Avatar
        subaru335i -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MonsterM3 Click here to enlarge
        Oh wait, there is a Dogbox OEM ecu tuned built motor gallardo in PA.. been done for a while now.. so how is this a game changer again?
        Is this oem ecu tuned G using a turbo? How much power? I have never heard of this car.
        Just because it has a built motor and dog box doesnt mean it is on the power level of the UGR cars. The OEM ecu doesn't have the ability to control supplemental fuel. This syvecs ecu could support UGR 2R levels of power, I don't see the OEM ecu being able to do that.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
        The OEM ecu doesn't have the ability to control supplemental fuel. This syvecs ecu could support UGR 2R levels of power, I don't see the OEM ecu being able to do that.
        That"s why as a plug and play solution it's a big deal. And that you can use it on the R8 V8 which nobody, not even UGR, has taken to big levels yet due to lack of fuel.
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
        Is this oem ecu tuned G using a turbo? How much power? I have never heard of this car.



        Motec (UGR and Dallas Performance), Syvecs (Enzo) & ProEFI (Total Race) are all used on TT-G setups.
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MonsterM3 Click here to enlarge
        Once again, not a big deal. Motec Vs syvecs your talking pennies on the dollar. nothing has stopped anyone thus far from trying to build one of these except for R&D.

        300k for a 200k car with 1500+rwhp? sounds like a deal to me. lets play the famed dollar per hp game, build a car to beat a 2R, let me know how much time and $ you have invested when its done..

        I would normally agree but lets be real, Y'all Americans are into discounts... we are the poor people of the 1st world nowdays
      1. Group.america's Avatar
        Group.america -
        BTW I really love Gallardos..... they eat the asphalt at 220 mph and do not budge, just GREAT... one of the great performance cars of ALL TIME
      1. MonsterM3's Avatar
        MonsterM3 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
        Is this oem ecu tuned G using a turbo? How much power? I have never heard of this car.
        Just because it has a built motor and dog box doesnt mean it is on the power level of the UGR cars. The OEM ecu doesn't have the ability to control supplemental fuel. This syvecs ecu could support UGR 2R levels of power, I don't see the OEM ecu being able to do that.
        yes, TT gallardo that Benzy89 posted.made 800 on 93 and just about 1k on c16. I agree on needing a standalone to get to the power and performance of UGR cars, however, motec is and has been available to anyone, hence why syvecs having a solution is not a game changer.
      1. Jake@Eurocharged.com's Avatar
        Jake@Eurocharged.com -
        lol good conversation here.....but man a ton of people are going to still have massive issues.

        People will push past 6psi on a stock engine and pop, plus the fact that there are some other tricks needed to get the car to run right still puts UGR in the drivers seat. We see other vendor cars daily that we have to help with idle/drivability issues.

        oh and just wait for tx2k15..... a monster has been born in the gallardo world
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        UGR is obviously in the driver's seat and likely always will be.

        The main development here is it opens things a bit to the home brew crowd. It really also finally gets a fueling solution for the V8 so maybe someone will finally get a built motor twin turbo R8 V8 going.

        The last time someone tried this happened: http://www.audiboost.com/content.php...nd-tuning-woes
      1. Jake@Eurocharged.com's Avatar
        Jake@Eurocharged.com -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        UGR is obviously in the driver's seat and likely always will be.

        The main development here is it opens things a bit to the home brew crowd. It really also finally gets a fueling solution for the V8 so maybe someone will finally get a built motor twin turbo R8 V8 going.

        The last time someone tried this happened: http://www.audiboost.com/content.php...nd-tuning-woes
        lmfao!!!

        that's painful to see... humm I like R8's, they just need a little boost in performance

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      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Lots of ignorance in this thread. The ability to tune these cars with motec and other systems is nothing new. UGRs dominance lies in the fact they have a tremendous engine builder and even more importantly they have all the driveline figured out. Sticky believe me you wont be the one laughing when you fab up your turbo kit and then realize you cant turn it up past 1150whpish bwcause you will blow up your trans and no one will sell you gears or diffs or axles etc. People still got a long way to go.
      1. Jake@Eurocharged.com's Avatar
        Jake@Eurocharged.com -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Lots of ignorance in this thread. The ability to tune these cars with motec and other systems is nothing new. UGRs dominance lies in the fact they have a tremendous engine builder and even more importantly they have all the driveline figured out. Sticky believe me you wont be the one laughing when you fab up your turbo kit and then realize you cant turn it up past 1150whpish bwcause you will blow up your trans and no one will sell you gears or diffs or axles etc. People still got a long way to go.
        lol right on the money. I like the people with bot ons going past 7psi...that cracks me up
      1. benzy89's Avatar
        benzy89 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jake@Eurocharged.com Click here to enlarge
        oh and just wait for tx2k15..... a monster has been born in the gallardo world
        This is interesting.... I know the "X" Package is out there, lurking around with it's 2k WHP+ numbers, but I figured UGR has basically put the Gallardo in the backseat behind the Aventador & Huracan


        Like other's have said though, UGR beats everybody else (Dallas Performance, Heffner, Enzo, Total Race) because they don't only have a super reliable power plant, but they have the right supporting components that keep the car reliable at 1,500 WHP+ --- Axles, Trans/Gears/Clutch, AWD Drivetrain, etc etc. The closest thing is the Heffner/OB Prestige G's, motors are built by Fountain Race Engines, but they're RWD and running sequential gearboxes. Also don't think there's any "customers" with that setup.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Huracan will be a few years before its really fast. The dct will take a decent amount of hardware development to be viable at 1000whp+.
      1. AlexQuattro's Avatar
        AlexQuattro -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Group.america Click here to enlarge
        Duhawks car is for sale at $299k

        I think the Duhawks car near that price is interesting.. trouble is there are ZERO buyers
        Couple things that are worth pointing out here.

        03-19-2014 His sale price is $380,000 OBO.
        03-27-2014 His sale price is 360,000
        03-31-2014 Now $350,000
        04-21-2014 Car is now 335,000. Cannot begin to tell you what a great deal this is....

        He keeps mentionning ''The only reason I am selling is because I cannot fit in my car with a helmet and
        it is very tight even without a helmet.''

        Yet here's a video of him driving his car. He is wearing a helmet.



        11-25-2014 New price of 280,000. Would really like to sell this before the end of the year.

        12-13-2014 Lists car on ebay,
        Price:
        US $325,000.00

        Sounds like somebody that needs cash.....
      1. AlexQuattro's Avatar
        AlexQuattro -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by subaru335i Click here to enlarge
        He had the build finished in Feb 2014 and that FS ad went up in March...you are telling me you spent almost half a million $ and didn't think about fitting a helmet while driving the damn car?!
        And this isn't even true, see my post above. Something else is going on here.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Jimefam Click here to enlarge
        Lots of ignorance in this thread. The ability to tune these cars with motec and other systems is nothing new. UGRs dominance lies in the fact they have a tremendous engine builder and even more importantly they have all the driveline figured out. Sticky believe me you wont be the one laughing when you fab up your turbo kit and then realize you cant turn it up past 1150whpish bwcause you will blow up your trans and no one will sell you gears or diffs or axles etc. People still got a long way to go.
        I'm not claiming to fab up a turbo kit I'm claiming that the V8 R8 has fueling options opened up with this ECU.

        I haven't seen anyone use a Motec or UGR for that matter do a built motor R8 V8 successfully, have you? EVOMS tried and failed. I bet with this ECU they could get it done by supplementing fuel with port injection.

        So sorry, I don't see the ignorance.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by AlexQuattro Click here to enlarge
        Sounds like somebody that needs cash.....
        It's not that he needs cash. It's that he is trying to get as much cash for it as possible.

        These guys are trying to flip their builds and not lose any money. It's greed.
      1. Jimefam's Avatar
        Jimefam -
        Duhawks lives about 5 mins from me. With the oem lambo seats he didn't fit with a helmet on and alot of events require it. He decided to swap out to technocraft seats which sit just low enough that he can put a helmet on. He then took it off the market til now because he wants to build something else. The car is an incredible deal because his isnt a 2R its got pretty much everything UGR can do and would be 300k to build plus the car.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Modified cars aren't investments.