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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@MHP Click here to enlarge
    Did Auto Car run the old GTR at the ring? The stock horsepower in Nissans original ring time has been widely disputed.

    Back to the original and post that ties in with your comment how does it compare on the race track as a race car? I posted up a vid some time back of goto racings gtr vs a griggs live axle mustang and thunderhill and the racing is extreme! Track ready mustang keeping up with a track ready gtr? No way!
    http://www.bimmerboost.com/showthrea...at-Thunderhill!
    A Mustang with the full Griggs suspension is tough to beat, just goes to show that when properly setup it can take the GTR even with a solid rear axle.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    It is a super car with super performance
    No, it isn't. People toss around the term for everything and have ruined it which is now why people push that ridiculously stupid sounding "hypercar" term.

    It isn't a supercar, it never will be, it is a nice performance car that is a good value which has been hyped up beyond belief and young kids buy into it.

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    I believe many here turning great cars into supercars! Even by Nissan own admission(building it specifically to compete with the 997 turbo) the GTR is not a supercar! It is a great car.

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    Ok, so the GTR isn't a supercar, just a car that you would want to buy if you wanted to be one of the fastest at the track and still have a very comfortable, easy to drive daily driver.

    A supercar has to be terrible on a non-perfect road, outrageously expensive, require special maintenance, skimp on modern amenities and cost an arm and leg to maintain, while not always offering a performance advantage. You are paying for exclusivity at that point, considering that looks/throttle response/steering feel/sound are subjective.

    Performance data gathered in real life is not.

    Exclusivity is not important enough to me to ever actually consider buying a "supercar", even if I may be able to afford it in the future. It's just too much of a waste of money, when you can build off of other another platform to reach your performance goals for less.

    That being said, I would LOVE to own any one of those "supercars".
    Last edited by fundahl; 11-08-2010 at 01:11 PM.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    A simple look at the power to weight?? the car has changed the laws of automotive physics and to me thats one of its most amazing abilities!! Look in one of my previous post with the cars i listed, the gtr was the heaviest by 400lb and had the least hp and therefore the worst power to weight. Nissan didnt invent awd nor dct trannies but they have executed it the best, a gallardo had had awd with more hp and less weight for years but has not posted the figures the gtr has. on paper 4000lb and 485 cannot do what that car does
    How has it changed the laws of automotive physics? It can't, these are constants, that is the whole point.

    The Gallardo came out in 2004, is naturally aspirated, and has no DCT. However, the new Gallardo's stomp the GTR. You give this car far more credit than it deserves, HYPE.

    The 458 can not do what it does? This is getting ridiculous, Nissan has warped people's minds.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@MHP Click here to enlarge
    I believe many here turning great cars into supercars! Even by Nissan own admission(building it specifically to compete with the 997 turbo) the GTR is not a supercar! It is a great car.
    Exactly, no one calls the 997 turbo a supercar because it isn't yet that was the target. Hell, it is a VW bug on steroids.

    It is mostly young people without a sense of automotive history that buy into the whole GTR supercar stuff.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    A supercar has to be terrible on a non-perfect road, outrageously expensive, require special maintenance, skimp on modern amenities and cost an arm and leg to maintain, while not always offering a performance advantage.
    The McLaren F1 proves that is not the case.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by MSIZZLE Click here to enlarge
    what is your point i dont get it?? are you saying that cuz i own one? like that has anything to do with this debate? everyones input has been intelligent up to this point but bringing in my car just makes no kind of sense lol, But yes your right the gtr will get walked by an m6 but yet the 6 can only manage 8:09!!why because it doesnt do all the OTHER faces of performance as well as the gtr, again straight line acceleration is only 1 thing.
    what i was saying is that there was an argument saying that the GTR manages well in straight speed so that helps it be a super car...when it gets walked by an M6. My friend has an M6 and my other friend has a GTR and a GT2. He lined up the GTR from a stop vs the M6 and he got the jump on him, but about 90-100 the M6 creeped up and walked past him, and at 150 the M6 was a car and a half ahead.

    Im not putting down your car at all. Im just adding my own experience to whats been listed here.

    What I would REALLY like to see if a GTR stripped down without all its electronic ninnies that control its every move in the turn, run it and pull a good lap time. A lot of people have likened the GTR to a car out of a video game..just steer it into the turn and let the car figure itself out....the Porsche is also guilty of this lately but the GT2 is a bit more dumbed down in terms of letting computers control the car all the time.

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    You know what, here, Wikipedia to the rescue, definition of supercar:

    Supercar is a term used most often to describe an ultra-high-end "exotic" automobile, whose performance is superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car".[1] Stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own".[2] However, the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. So-called vehicles are typically out of the ordinary and are marketed by automakers to be perceived by the public as unusual. The supercar can take many forms including limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard looking cars made by mainstream companies that hide massive power and performance, as well as models that appeal to "hardcore enthusiasts" from "manufacturers on the fringe of the car industry

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
    A lot of people have likened the GTR to a car out of a video game..just steer it into the turn and let the car figure itself out....
    EXACTLY! That is where the comments about it being robotic and having no soul come from. It has been likened to being a big Playstation.

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    No.

    A Zonda is a supercar. An Enzo is a supercar. So is a Mac F1.

    If a GTR is a supercar then so is a Mustang or a Supra or an M3. They're all also capable of being very fast when modded. Come on, let's be realistic.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by fstop7 Click here to enlarge
    No.

    A Zonda is a supercar. An Enzo is a supercar. So is a Mac F1.

    If a GTR is a supercar then so is a Mustang or a Supra or an M3. They're all also capable of being very fast when modded. Come on, let's be realistic.
    Could not agree more, +1.

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    The GTR would be a supercar by that definition.

    The supercar can take many forms including limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard looking cars made by mainstream companies that hide massive power and performance, as well as models that appeal to hardcore enthusiasts.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    The GTR would be a supercar by that definition.
    That is only part of the definition and as stated it "can" apply which is why we are having this discussion. It does not fit in with the rest of the very subjective definition though as I would lean more toward this portion:

    Supercar is a term used most often to describe an ultra-high-end "exotic" automobile, whose performance is superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car".[1] Stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own".[

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    Who gives a $#@! if it is or it isn't a supercar its an amazing car and you people are hating. One thing is for sure its the best car ( performance wise) under 100k and it absolutely rapes anything BMW is making right now. Tune or no tune, its the best practical performance car under 100k

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Who gives a $#@! if it is or it isn't a supercar its an amazing car and you people are hating. One thing is for sure its the best car ( performance wise) under 100k and it absolutely rapes anything BMW is making right now. Tune or no tune, its the best practical performance car under 100k

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    The topic asks if it is a supercar.

    Yes, it is a great car and a great value. No hate, but no blind admiration either.

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    The word Performance is a bit vague. It depends on the circumstances. The quickest point-to-point cars are not called supercars. Quickest all around point-to-point cars have typically four wheel drive, more ground clearance and are narrower than "supercars".

    One difference is that most supercar wannabes are driven fast whereas supercars are driven slow (such as cruising in front of the Casino of Monte Carlo) or not at all (collectors items). You see GTRs, M3s, Porsche GT3s driving Nordschleife, not McLarens or Koenigseggs. Supercars do not need to be driven fast, since they are known to be extremely fast as far as you have a wide and billiard board type of a track.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SlicktopTTZ Click here to enlarge
    The GTR would be a supercar by that definition.
    So would the 93, 95, and 00 mustang svt cobra R's! I have yet to meet anyone to call those mustangs supercars!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Mike@MHP Click here to enlarge
    So would the 93, 95, and 00 mustang svt cobra R's! I have yet to meet anyone to call those mustangs supercars!
    As would the M3, M5, M6, AMG models, Black Series, etc. It is so vague that we could argue for basically any performance model.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Who gives a $#@! if it is or it isn't a supercar its an amazing car and you people are hating. One thing is for sure its the best car ( performance wise) under 100k and it absolutely rapes anything BMW is making right now. Tune or no tune, its the best practical performance car under 100k

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    Here you go, you start losing the argument and you just give up on the debate LOL

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Matt@Camber-Toe Click here to enlarge
    Here you go, you start losing the argument and you just give up on the debate LOL
    How did I lose exactly? That post is true and the GTR may or may not be a supercar but it does have supercar performance.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    How did I lose exactly? That post is true and the GTR may or may not be a supercar but it does have supercar performance.
    He means because you instead start focusing on the performance per dollar vs. BMW and concede the question at hand.

    The GTR is indeed impressive and indeed does offer great performance, no one is denying it.

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    But its no supercar. Its hilarious as to how hard it is for some to understand that...
    Performance alone, does not equal supercar status.

    Knowing that, I'd consider one in the future..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by GT3 Click here to enlarge
    But its no supercar. Its hilarious as to how hard it is for some to understand that...
    Performance alone, does not equal supercar status.

    Knowing that, I'd consider one in the future..
    I am amazed the poll is 50-50.

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    NO! because it doesn't look like a supercar. In my mind the LF-A is more of a supercar then the GTR
    supercar has to have atleast these points:
    turn head looks
    supercar performance or close to it
    2 seats only
    very lightweight
    high quality interior
    Current: 964 WB, 993, Panamera Turbo

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