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    2015/2016 Porsche Cayman GT4 spotted testing on the ring - Flat-6 or turbo-4?

    The Cayman GT4 is real and it is coming. The highest performance version of the Cayman set to slot above the Cayman GTS will likely make its debut next year. The car is wearing some serious bodywork that appears to be inspired by the 991 GT3 giving the Cayman an aggressive look. Suspension and brake tweaks will no doubt accompany the aerodynamic changes. The question is, will it have the same flat-6 under the hood with some different software or the new turbo flat-4?

    Porsche is testing a new turbocharged four-cylinder engine and there are many questions. Will this be the rumored ground up boxer four-cylinder? If so, the GT4 could have a 2.3-2.5 liter turbo boxer four cylinder with up to 395 horsepower. That would mean the Cayman would finally be allowed to step on the 911's toes.

    If it is not a turbo four-cylinder engine, the 3.8 liter flat-6 from the Carrera S may be used or the current 3.6 liter flat-6 with some more aggressive software likely matching the 991 Carrera. If that is the case, this model would be a letdown as the Cayman GTS already is the same car with some different software.

    Let's hope Porsche has something special cooking after the Cayman GTS letdown.

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    i think i like porsches now
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Let's hope Porsche has something special cooking after the Cayman GTS letdown.
    From the looks of it, appears like it will be something special.


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    That will be a fun car to drive!!

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    From the looks of it, appears like it will be something special.
    I agree, it looks like this will be a 'real' car.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if it's the four cylinder turbo, as a way for Porsche to continue and placate the 911 owners by giving the Cayman "just" a four-banger.

    The real question will be whether to choose this car over a C7 Z06. We know the GT4 will approach six figures if not go over, but if the 987 Cayman R is any indication, the GT4 will hold value extremely well. Tough choice between this and the Z06 unless you have a brand allegiance either way.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    I wouldn't be surprised if it's the four cylinder turbo, as a way for Porsche to continue and placate the 911 owners by giving the Cayman "just" a four-banger.
    I think that's actually a smart solution. It's all about protecting the 911 owners egos anyway right? It's almost like Porsche knows they have some kind of complex.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    The real question will be whether to choose this car over a C7 Z06. We know the GT4 will approach six figures if not go over, but if the 987 Cayman R is any indication, the GT4 will hold value extremely well. Tough choice between this and the Z06 unless you have a brand allegiance either way.
    I think the standard C7 is a much better buy than either. $100k for a Cayman? Come on.

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    pretty sure the vette will blow this thing away, and it will be a lot more daily driveable
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    pretty sure the vette will blow this thing away, and it will be a lot more daily driveable
    Oh the Vette will annihilate this thing.

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    Call me crazy, I'd have this over any 'Vette. Just more my personality. I think it will be an extremely amazing vehicle, very excited to see how it turns out.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
    Call me crazy, I'd have this over any 'Vette. Just more my personality. I think it will be an extremely amazing vehicle, very excited to see how it turns out.
    It will cost more than 2+ vettes.


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by M3_WC Click here to enlarge
    It will cost more than 2+ vettes.
    Doubt it, the GT3 starts in the mid-130k range, this will most certainly be less. The Z06 is going to be decidedly over 100k.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leveraged sellout Click here to enlarge
    Doubt it, the GT3 starts in the mid-130k range, this will most certainly be less. The Z06 is going to be decidedly over 100k.
    The Z06 is worth $100k. If this is just the same flat-6 with some minor tweaks, forget it.

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    i'd choose this over the vette
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    i'd choose this over the vette
    I'd choose the vette but that's why they make different cars for different tastes.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    I think the standard C7 is a much better buy than either. $100k for a Cayman? Come on.
    The C7 is definitely a better buy - it's arguably the best bang for the buck car out there now, and one no longer has to hold their nose about anything on the car while justifying their purchase.

    $100k for a Cayman is laughable now because they continue to hold it back from its full potential. Assuming they are truly going to give the GT4 the hardware it deserves, we're talking $100k for a mid-engined Porsche with a truly potent engine, track ready handling and suspension components, killer looks, amazing braking, etc, etc.

    Car and Driver did a comparison between the 987 Cayman R and the 997 GT3. Given that this comparison focused on handling, the results were a bit flawed since that they tested both cars with their OEM configuration tires (which are worlds apart in terms of relative grip) rather than putting both cars on the same setup.

    In comparison to the 911ís sticky Michelin Pilot Sport Cup radials, the Caymanís Bridgestone Potenza RE050A rubber has a narrower section width and a much less aggressive construction (intended more for general driving than track use).
    Here's their conclusion:

    THE RESULTS ARE CLEAR: The grizzled veteran 911 GT3 won with a score of four victories in five handling tests. This leads us to a number of conclusions. Hoary as it is, the tail-engine layout is still perfectly suitable. Thanks to the six decades of development Porsche has invested in this configuration, the 911ís combination of ample power, exemplary brakes, and tenacious grip lifts the performance bar beyond the reach of the new Cayman R. In this battle, scrupulous practice conquered sound theory.

    But had we pitted the Cayman R against a more pedestrian 911, the handling tests likely would have been tighter. Or alternately, imagine for a minute a Cayman RS armed with more than 400 horsepower, a nice fat set of Pilot Sport Cup tires, and another dollop of carbon fiber. That would be one awesome Porsche. And one likely capable of finally eclipsing the iconic 911.
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    An honest GT4 with no factory sandbagging will decimate anything else in the Porsche lineup short of the 918 Spyder from a handling perspective. Assuming a GT4 was $100k, to fill out a four seasons garage I'd take the GT4 and a Macan S for a combined $160k over a 911 turbo for the same $160k.

    But it all depends on what everyone wants from a car. You'll likely be pressed to get 500+ reliable hp out of a four pot Cayman motor, but we know the 911 turbo motors will go well above that. Then again, take a C7 for $60k and throw $100k in mods at it and you'll have something to put up against anything else on the road regardless of price.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    An honest GT4 with no factory sandbagging will decimate anything else in the Porsche lineup short of the 918 Spyder from a handling perspective. Assuming a GT4 was $100k, to fill out a four seasons garage I'd take the GT4 and a Macan S for a combined $160k over a 911 turbo for the same $160k.
    Absolutely but are we going to get an honest GT4 or will we get some watered down pile of crap with a premium price like the GTS?

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    someone could just buy the GT4 and do a 996 engine swap
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    someone could just buy the GT4 and do a 996 engine swap
    is that what the big dogs are doing?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SSO95 Click here to enlarge
    is that what the big dogs are doing?
    yep
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    someone could just buy the GT4 and do a 996 engine swap
    Swap with what? The GT3 motor? It's not that simple.

    A 991 GT3 swap would physically make more sense if it is the same flat-6.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Swap with what? The GT3 motor? It's not that simple.

    A 991 GT3 swap would physically make more sense if it is the same flat-6.
    i would have thought the old GT3 motor would fit better since it's smaller but sure that works too lol, i was really half joking
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by rawad1017 Click here to enlarge
    i would have thought the old GT3 motor would fit better since it's smaller but sure that works too lol, i was really half joking
    The new GT3 motor is the same block so in theory it should bolt right on. Not to mention the PDK will likely line up. Trying to get the old motor to work would be a nightmare with the electronics. It literally may be a plug and play swap I'm surprised nobody has done it or mentioned it yet.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Absolutely but are we going to get an honest GT4 or will we get some watered down pile of crap with a premium price like the GTS?
    Who knows at this point. If it's watered down it won't sell. I would hope they know this, but we can't always figure out why Porsche does what they do...

    As far as swaps go, the ultimate car would be the GT4 and a 997 GT3RS 4.0 motor. Electronics would be a $#@! I'm sure, and it would be ridiculously expensive.
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    I'd love the 997 GT3 RS 4.0 motor in it but I'd happily settle for a Cayman with the 991 GT3 engine. It's actually realistic.

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