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    Autoblog claims no manual transmission option for the F82 M4 - Do they even know what the hell they're talking about?

    Autoblog claims that the upcoming BMW M4 will not have a manual transmission option meaning it will only have a 7-speed dual clutch transmission. Autobild claims the opposite as their specifications for the F82 M4 state there will be a manual transmission option. Autoblog states their "sources" tell them that the manual will not be an option. Who are these sources? Why are they not quoted? Is this just lazy automotive journalism?

    It's convenient to not name the source or provide any supplemental information with such a bold claim and that should be beneath Autoblog. No doubt with their hundreds of millions at their disposal they have the resources and connections to get such information should it be true but they also have the ability to support such a bold claim especially with so much evidence pointing to the opposite.

    Now, when BimmerBoost spotted the F80 M3 testing it was a dual clutch model. This website and its users have not spotted a manual F82 M4 or F80 M3 testing thus far. AutoWeek reported last year there would be no manual transmission option for the F80 M3.

    If this is true why did the head of BMW M's engineering department Albert Biermann state last year regarding the upcoming F80 M3, "The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift." BMW themselves seems to feel a manual is coming for the M3 plus they offer a manual for the current F10 M5 and F12/F13 M6. Those cars are not the driver's car the M3/M4 will be.

    BimmerBoost would bet on the M3/M4 having a manual option at least in the United States especially considering the focus on the vehicle as a driver's car. BMW is trying to repair their image which has strayed quite a bit from providing driver focused cars as of late. It is in their best interest from a marketing standpoint to offer the manual. Plus the head of M's engineering stated as much that the car needs a manual so someone at M clearly gets it.

    Who is right? Autoblog with an anonymous 'source' or BMW M on record along with AutoBild? We will find out soon enough.

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    That's got to be wrong.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    That's got to be wrong.
    You would think so. They didn't back it up with anything though. And that's a quality auto blog? Seriously?

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    They are wrong.
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    I can get you a pic with a manual tranny but it will BP watermark.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    I can get you a pic with a manual tranny but it will BP watermark.
    No thanks.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Sigh
    Oh $#@!....sorry. I didn't see the watermark... $#@!
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    Article: Autoblog claims no manual transmission option for the F82 M4 - Do they even know what the hell they're talking about?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    What the crap...am I banned from the other thread?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    What the crap...am I banned from the other thread?
    No merged and deleted that post.

    Edit: It deleted a different post, whatever, I'll just leave it alone.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No merged and deleted that post.

    Edit: It deleted a different post, whatever, I'll just leave it alone.
    lol...just delete it. After you said sigh...I watched it again and was like wtf!!!!! Too many Oxy's I think....
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by KB Click here to enlarge
    lol...just delete it. After you said sigh...I watched it again and was like wtf!!!!! Too many Oxy's I think....
    I'm not even referring to your post.

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    I constantly find stuff wrong on Autoblog and point it out in the comments, they typically post stuff about 12-24 hours later than other sites and then don't get their facts right - just sloppy journalism all over that site!
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Roadkillrob Click here to enlarge
    I constantly find stuff wrong on Autoblog and point it out in the comments, they typically post stuff about 12-24 hours later than other sites and then don't get their facts right - just sloppy journalism all over that site!
    Ya but they have the name and google ranking, what can you do?

    They use my stuff sometimes. The last few times I tipped them though they didn't give credit... grr.

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    Think they read BB or Jalponik who linked to BB on the topic? Same thing I wrote earlier...

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Road and Track
    What does Biermann have to say about the M3? "The M3 needs to have a stick shift. It will always have a stick shift." That's clear enough.

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    Even though they will clearly have a stick shift, I think now that the M3/4 is boosted it's best to order it with DCT in order to reduce drop in boost between shifts.

    I know, "pure driver's car" blah blah... the thing has a turbo now, so the purity is gone anyway.
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    Lol good point^.

    Look how well the dct 335is does... However, will the new dct be able to handle increased hp/tq from FBO and tuning? How about upgraded turbos? If the s55 is like the n54/n55, you can increase the stock power by 100whp/100wtq from just a tune and some bolt on's
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Lol good point^.

    Look how well the dct 335is does... However, will the new dct be able to handle increased hp/tq from FBO and tuning? How about upgraded turbos? If the s55 is like the n54/n55, you can increase the stock power by 100whp/100wtq from just a tune and some bolt on's
    I think the 'is' guys are the leading indicators for durability of the DCT. I know it's not the same unit as the M DCT, and surely BMW is going to make the F8x M DCT even more robust since the stock torque levels would exceed what's being thrown at the current units. Hopefully it's a matter of changing the clutch packs out and perhaps addressing cooling.

    are there any E9x M cars pushing 500+ lb/ft through the DCT?
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    Unfortunately it's more complex than that, the dct "magic" is all software related. You can beef up the clutches, but the dme of the dct really needs to be reprogrammed for the added tq. The dct intentionally "slips" the gears and holds the next gear so it's instantaneous when you request a shift. More power/tq disrupts that. It's a lot more complicated than that but in laymens terms that's really the problem with beefing up the clutches and not changing the software.

    I don't know of any supercharged e9x m3 running 500wtq, except stickys and his doesn't run.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    Lol good point^.

    Look how well the dct 335is does... However, will the new dct be able to handle increased hp/tq from FBO and tuning? How about upgraded turbos? If the s55 is like the n54/n55, you can increase the stock power by 100whp/100wtq from just a tune and some bolt on's
    I would think they would use the M5/M6 DCT in which case quite a bit of headroom.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by whoosh Click here to enlarge
    I think the 'is' guys are the leading indicators for durability of the DCT. I know it's not the same unit as the M DCT, and surely BMW is going to make the F8x M DCT even more robust since the stock torque levels would exceed what's being thrown at the current units. Hopefully it's a matter of changing the clutch packs out and perhaps addressing cooling.

    are there any E9x M cars pushing 500+ lb/ft through the DCT?
    It is the same unit as the M3 DCT.

    My car pushed over 500 pound-feet through the stock box before it slipped, ~550 actually so that's about the limit.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by bobS Click here to enlarge
    I don't know of any supercharged e9x m3 running 500wtq, except stickys and his doesn't run.
    I don't know where you get that impression, my car runs. I am likely producing in the 6XX torque range btw.

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