Thread: APR releases their FMIC (front mount intercooler) upgrade for the Audi TT-RS 2.5 TFSI - +18 wheel horsepower, OEM versus APR dyno graphs
07-12-2013, 08:58 PM #1
APR releases their FMIC (front mount intercooler) upgrade for the Audi TT-RS 2.5 TFSI - +18 wheel horsepower, OEM versus APR dyno graphs
The 2.5 TFSI motor responds very well basic bolt on mods but like any turbo motor the 2.5 TFSI will generate heat and the heatsoak will get worse with added power over stock. With summer weather here this FMIC upgrade for the TT-RS comes at the perfect time. The APR TT-RS FMIC offers 104% more frontal area and a 92% larger core than the OEM intercooler which is quite the difference. As the dyno runs and data show below, the APR FMIC makes a substantial impact.
APR tested the OEM intercooler and their FMIC upgrade on the dyno doing six back to back pulls. The OEM intercooler lost 25 horsepower compared to the APR unit. So yes, the APR unit helps lower air temps and the car retain power quite a bit.
Even after the first run the APR baseline was higher at 380 wheel horsepower compared to the OEM IC at 362 wheel horsepower. A difference of 18 horsepower at the wheels. This difference only got larger after six pulls with the APR unit measuring 368 wheel horsepower to the OEM's 345 wheel horsepower. A difference of 23 wheel horsepower.
Worth the $1699 asking price? Definitely. What more is there to say? A solid product and solid data from APR as to be expected.
07-17-2013, 01:15 AM #2Member
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people need to stop buying this $#@!
there's not one thing this IC has over a unit 1/3 it's price
i don't care how high quality APR is, it's not worth a $1000+ markup on an FMIC... let alone $1600 for an OTS tune. ffs.
07-17-2013, 11:22 AM #3
07-17-2013, 12:11 PM #4
They make great products, majority of which are made in the USA, by American workers...getting paid American salaries.
This means it's going to cost a lot vs. something a "tuner" purchased in bulk from ali baba. (let's not get started with the amount that they spend on R&D)
APR also cemented themselves as the premier VAG tuner (though I'm sure not so much in the Porsche world). This is largely due to the fact that they have a HUGE facility, with a lot of employees, a very successful motorsports team, a lot of engineers and high tech equipment. This means they tend to be the first to market for hardware (they also tend to get early access to new VWs), turbo set ups, and tunes (current VW ECUs are very difficult to crack/flash. physically and electronically).
When you're first to market, when VW goes to you for all their special builds, when there are a $#@! load of VW dealerships who flash your tunes and install and back your hardware, you get to name your price.
This is something important to note (especially in the VW TSI world), they are the ONLY company that does tuning and hardware, they are the Apple of the Performance market for VW. Unitronic TRIED to do a hardware line, but everyone realized it was a knock off of SPM, eurojet, and Statis and i haven't heard much about it for a while (this is a huge drama loaded $#@! show by the way)
Here's an example of why they can get away with charging so much
That's the year the TSI engine came out. APR has provided their Stage 3+ kit for nearly 2 years now. This is a FULL kit (well sans downpipe, intake and intercooler). This comes with tune, turbo kit and injectors. NO ONE else has a full turn key kit. Hell no one else even offered injectors until this year.
Unitronic, GIAC, REVO, CTS, AWE, SPM, etc. They either provide tunes or provide kits, or just stick to the dime a dozen k04 turbos.
And competition isn't going to lower their prices. eurojet, wagner, spm, cts, bsh, ria, forge, godspeed, etc. all provide intercoolers for the TSI engine -- all cheaper, hell godspeed is literally a 1/3 the price of APR. However it's "ebay" (never mind Terry's record setting 135 runs a godspeed, IIRC), people don't buy it. Oh I need to do an extra 30 minutes worth of work to get whatever other intercooler to fit? I'll just pay the 1200 for an APR intercooler.
that's the mindset of VW/audi kids. they bow at the knees of APR and take it like champs. They marketed themselves well, and until another powerhouse can come in -- provide hard data that their product is better, fits better, is built better, performs better, and is backed better. They're going to charge $500+ more than competitors and people are still going to buy it.
and if I had the $6k for a gt30 turbo kit and the money for an engine build, i'd surely go with them, i mean who doesn't want a comfortable, calm 400+whp pump gas car that drives fairly similar to stock (sure just a little lag) that sits 3 adult passengers and luggage for the weekend and will get 28+mpg on the highway?
07-17-2013, 12:50 PM #5