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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
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    I don't have a dog in this fight but the Camaro does outsell the Mustang.
    Are you sure? The 90's Mustangs outsold the Camaro 4 to 1 I don't see how that trend suddenly changed with the new one which has been selling very well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
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    Remember handling isnt skidpad G's, thats grip. Slalom is more related to handling but also not an outright test.
    Well said.

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    Listen the Camaro ZL1 will be fast for sure no mistaking that but I believe in terms of total overall performance GT500 has it beat... Will the ZR1 get beat by the GT500 stock vs stock not very likely but the GT500 at that point is a menace and that's not a good problem for GM.

    No in terms of the 90"s let be honest here... The GM F Body twins got their respective asses handed to them buy the Mustangs from 87-93 and were outsold handily as nicely mentioned by sticky. That GM has come back with a new Camaro and outsold the current Mustang is noteworthy. Its also noteworthy that the Mustang didn't go out of production like the Camaro did so in my mind GM is playing catch up LOL. Seriously if the Camaro is outselling the Mustang in 5yrs then that's something to talk about but I suspect the Mustang will be the consistent performer among the two cars.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    The GM F Body twins got their respective asses handed to them buy the Mustangs from 87-93 and were outsold handily as nicely mentioned by sticky. That GM has come back with a new Camaro and outsold the current Mustang is noteworthy. Its also noteworthy that the Mustang didn't go out of production like the Camaro did so in my mind GM is playing catch up LOL. Seriously if the Camaro is outselling the Mustang in 5yrs then that's something to talk about but I suspect the Mustang will be the consistent performer among the two cars.
    Yep. I'm still surprised the current Camaro is outselling the Mustang. Is that right? Or did GM just have a good month and they are playing that up?

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    No they are outselling the Mustang for sure... The Camaro sold over 6100 cars total in Oct 2011 vs the Mustang being just shy of 4900 for the same month. So its a decent difference overall, then again the Challenger sold just shy of 3100 for the same period so it is what it is.

    Not to change subjects but the Challenger is even heavier and even in SRT8 form has it's hands full with base V8 Camaro's or GT's
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    No they are outselling the Mustang for sure... The Camaro sold over 6100 cars total in Oct 2011 vs the Mustang being just shy of 4900 for the same month. So its a decent difference overall, then again the Challenger sold just shy of 3100 for the same period so it is what it is.
    That is just one month.. what is the total amount of sales for this generation Mustang vs. the Camaro? The Mustang has to be higher.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    Are you sure? The 90's Mustangs outsold the Camaro 4 to 1 I don't see how that trend suddenly changed with the new one which has been selling very well.
    It changed.

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    I was gonna say the 90s was all mustang. 5.0's were selling like hot cakes. They discontinued the camaro for a reason, at the time they weren't selling. The only reason they are selling now is because the people who were teenagers back in the 90s, whom are now in their 30s are reminiscining. I almost bought a new SS camaro until I looked at the numbers and said nty I will take the 135 with a tune and run low 12s with solid handling.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
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    It changed.
    I think it is just temporary due to the Camaro being new.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    That is just one month.. what is the total amount of sales for this generation Mustang vs. the Camaro? The Mustang has to be higher.
    Sorry for the terse response a moment ago. I'm edgy today.

    http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153145 Here's some perspective.

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    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/04/c...ng-sales-2010/

    "In the American sports car landscape, the Chevrolet Camaro is the king... of sales for 2010. For the first time since 1985, the Camaro has outsold its arch rival, the Ford Mustang. In fact, Chevrolet sold 7,655 more of its sporty coupes than the Blue Oval. General Motors moved 81,371 Camaros compared to 73,716 Mustangs.

    Both automakers have reasons to celebrate, however, because sales for each model are up year over year. Compared to 2009, Mustang sales climbed 10.6 percent and Camaro sales soared by 31.9 percent. Ford and General Motors are looking at positive numbers across the board, with the exception of GM's now-defunct brands. Heck... even now-defunct Mercury sales rose one percent in 2010."

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sonny Click here to enlarge
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    Sorry for the terse response a moment ago. I'm edgy today.
    I didn't take it that way at all.

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    the Chevrolet Camaro is the king... of sales for 2010
    That makes sense. The Camaro is new so it has a slight boost and Ford can not make enough V6's.

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    That makes sense. The Camaro is new so it has a slight boost and Ford can not make enough V6's.
    If I was in the market between the Camaro V6 or Mustang V6, I'd go Mustang V6. That car is supposedly solid and with the track package it supposedly handles well. The 114 mph governor is the only drawback.

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    Camaro's have sold very very well for sure... The Mustangs numbers have gone down a bit and the V6 is not being made in large enough numbers. That being said despite the sales the Mustang is the better performer historically speaking from a sales perspective. DB is correct in the lots of folks in their 30's and 40's are buying for nostalgic reasons along with folks in their upper 50's to 60's. Reminds them of their parents car and so on, can't knock the Camaro sales wise its a win for GM. But Ford keeps taking their lunch performance wise and frankly the Mustang motor is so much more advanced compared to the LS motors with variable cam timing, 4V heads and the like. Then it weighs noticeably less then the Camaro and is far better looking to me. The Camaro's interior is horrid though the Mustang is not phenomenal compared to euro and asian styles. It goes either way depending on what cha like LOL
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sledgehammer Click here to enlarge
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    frankly the Mustang motor is so much more advanced compared to the LS motors with variable cam timing, 4V heads and the like. Then it weighs noticeably less then the Camaro and is far better looking to me.
    Have to strongly agree with all of this.

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