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    • 2016 Car and Driver Lightning Lap Results with video - Viper ACR rules, M4 GTS beaten again, Lexus GS-F embarrassed, and the Corvette Grand Sport impresses

      This is a great comparison to really see how cars perform. This is not mixing and matching Nurburgring laptimes from different days with different drivers and cars set up differently from their production counterparts. What we have here is as close as we can get to an honest track comparison from the major publications.


      What do we learn? That the BMW F82 M4 GTS again is beaten soundly by the Mustang GT350R. Honestly, enough about the overrated M4 GTS. The Mustang GT350R is a better driver's car even for the same money. At less than half the price it is not even a discussion.

      What else do we learn? That the Viper ACR is the baddest car on the planet. Seriously, Ferrari can pack their crap up and go home. That the brand spanking new twin turbo 488 GTB is trounced by the Viper that Ferrari actively holds back is poetic justice. The Viper ACR delivers a giant American middle finger pointed directly in the direction of Fiorano. Suck it Ferrari.

      Anything else? Well, the Camaro SS 1LE is soundly beaten by the BMW GTS showing the GTS on a big track like VIR (Virginia International Raceway) can simply use its power to make up for its other deficiencies.

      The main disappointments though are the Lexus GS-F and Audi R8 V10 Plus. 3771 pounds for the R8? Ouch. It gains quite a bit of weight over its Huracan sibling. It also is beaten by the cheaper Camaro SS and Porsche Cayman GT4. The Lexus GS-F brings up the rear (but ahead of the Audi TTS) because that is exactly where it should be and where it deserves to be.

      The standout other than the Viper ACR is really the Corvette Grand Sport. To be a tenth of a second off the Porsche 991 GT3 RS is incredible. Honestly, it is highly commendable. GM deserves a ton of credit for packing so much performance per dollar into the Corvette. Porsche even with all their fancy technology and a car at more than double the price can not pull ahead. Time for a GT2?

      Here is the full list of laptimes and the historical comparison although many of the previous laps are before a repaving of VIR so this is not exactly apples to apples. Videos of the laps and a list of vehicle weights from lightest to heaviest are below.

      Lap Times:

      2:44.2 2016 Dodge Viper ACR
      2:45.1 2016 Ferrari 488 GTB
      2:47.0 2016 Porsche 911 GT3 RS
      2:47.1 2017 Corvette Grand Sport
      2:47.4 2016 McLaren 570S
      2:50.2 2017 Acura NSX
      2:51.8 2016 Mustang GT350R
      2:52.9 2017 BMW //M4 GTS
      2:54.0 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
      2:54.8 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V8 1LE
      2:56.1 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus
      3:01.9 2016 BMW //M2
      3:03.5 2016 Dodge Charger Hellcat
      3:03.9 2016 Focus RS
      3:04.0 2017 Chevrolet Camaro V6 1LE
      3:05.9 2016 Lexus GS-F
      3:07.7 2016 Audi TTS

      Curb Weights (pounds):

      Porsche Cayman GT4 - 3058
      Porsche 911 GT3 RS - 3155
      McLaren 570S - 3189
      Audi TTS - 3223
      Viper ACR - 3400
      Ferrari 488 GTB - 3428
      Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport - 3445
      Ford Focus RS - 3451
      BMW F87 M2 - 3455
      Chevrolet Camaro 1LE - 3516
      BMW F82 M4 GTS - 3538
      Ford Mustang GT350R - 3718
      Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE - 3743
      Jaguar Project 7 - 3766
      Audi R8 V10 Plus - 3771
      Acura NSX - 3854
      Lexus GS-F - 4132
      Dodge Charger Hellcat - 4564
      Tesla Model S P85D - 5010


      Historical Data:




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      This article was originally published in forum thread: C&D Lightning Lap 2016 started by richpike View original post
      Comments 75 Comments
      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
        A v8 50k Camaro killed the Audi r8. Now that's funny.
      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
        The RS focus is also a fail. Its almost 100lbs lighter than the v6 Camaro and has 25 horsepower on it and barely edges the Camaro out.

        Also has 65 more pound feet of torque.
      1. nbrigdan's Avatar
        nbrigdan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Audi R8 V10 Plus. 3771 pounds for the R8? Ouch. It gains quite a bit of weight over its Huracan sibling. It also is beaten by the cheaper Camaro SS and Porsche Cayman GT4.
        Well I didn't expect that. The previous gen manual had a claimed curb weight of ~3550 lbs so it's safe to say the new car gained a fair bit. Unfortunate.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
        A v8 50k Camaro killed the Audi r8. Now that's funny.
        That shouldn't happen but the R8 is a heavier and more comfortable Huracan.

        I'd love to see the Huracan 580-2 in this.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
        The RS focus is also a fail. Its almost 100lbs lighter than the v6 Camaro and has 25 horsepower on it and barely edges the Camaro out.

        Also has 65 more pound feet of torque.
        It's not a fail it's the best performance hatchback. It's not supposed to top the GT350R or anything for track performance.
      1. nbrigdan's Avatar
        nbrigdan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
        The RS focus is also a fail. Its almost 100lbs lighter than the v6 Camaro and has 25 horsepower on it and barely edges the Camaro out.
        This track doesn't really cater to the strengths of a high performance hatchback, but it seems the 1LE package on the Camaro is doing a lot of work.
      1. ms335i's Avatar
        ms335i -
        All I'm saying is that there is no way the RS is producing the power that is stated by Ford. Either its not producing the numbers or its heatsoaking like a mofo. It lost on a winding track to a heavier and much less powerful car.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by ms335i Click here to enlarge
        All I'm saying is that there is no way the RS is producing the power that is stated by Ford. Either its not producing the numbers or its heatsoaking like a mofo. It lost on a winding track to a heavier and much less powerful car.
        It's most definitely producing the power but it's manual only. I'm guessing these Camaros had the fancy automatic?
      1. 5soko's Avatar
        5soko -
        Damn, i thought for sure the gt3 rs woulda got the 488, that interesting, i guess that turbo power in the ferrari really making up time on the straights
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by 5soko Click here to enlarge
        Damn, i thought for sure the gt3 rs woulda got the 488, that interesting, i guess that turbo power in the ferrari really making up time on the straights
        I'm not surprised the 488 targets a higher performance tier.

        The GT3 RS is really just the naturally aspirated 911 taken to the max. It's an awesome car offering an unrivalved driving experience.

        It can't match the 488's muscle on a track like VIR.

        Porsche honestly needs a GT2 again.
      1. BlackJetE90OC's Avatar
        BlackJetE90OC -
        Honestly I am very impressed by the 488. To be within a second of the ACR, a track focused high-downforce car. I bet that 0.9 sec could easily be made up with a better tire on the 488. SRT claims Kuhmo V720's on the ACR are 1.5 secs quicker than competitor tire in the segment, including Trofeo R's. 488 comes with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, not even close to the same level of tire. There is multiple seconds in that rubber.

        The Grand Sport being within 0.1 sec of the GT3RS is amazing. GM hit it out of the park with that car, looks amazing and performance to back it up. The best parts of the Z06 with normally aspirated motor for an all day track weapon.
      1. nbrigdan's Avatar
        nbrigdan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
        Honestly I am very impressed by the 488. To be within a second of the ACR, a track focused high-downforce car. I bet that 0.9 sec could easily be made up with a better tire on the 488. SRT claims Kuhmo V720's on the ACR are 1.5 secs quicker than competitor tire in the segment, including Trofeo R's. 488 comes with Michelin Pilot Super Sports, not even close to the same level of tire. There is multiple seconds in that rubber.
        I think this is true, but also shows why Ferrari doesn't want the Viper to have more power, because look at all the aero on it, it simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the downforce in the straights when compared to the 488. Throw a heads / cam package on the Viper and you're making mid 700s naturally aspirated BHP, to get a real apples to apples handling comparison it's best to compare the cornering speeds of both cars instead of the overall lap times.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nbrigdan Click here to enlarge
        I think this is true, but also shows why Ferrari doesn't want the Viper to have more power, because look at all the aero on it, it simply doesn't have enough power to overcome the downforce in the straights when compared to the 488. Throw a heads / cam package on the Viper and you're making mid 700s naturally aspirated BHP, to get a real apples to apples handling comparison it's best to compare the cornering speeds of both cars instead of the overall lap times.
        This
      1. Optigrab's Avatar
        Optigrab -
        I would have loved to see a 675LT in this comparison and a TTRS!!
      1. Abacus38's Avatar
        Abacus38 -
        I said it before and i'll say it again. The Viper is America best kept secret. 500 shot on a stock motor. CANT BEAT IT
      1. richpike's Avatar
        richpike -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Abacus38 Click here to enlarge
        I said it before and i'll say it again. The Viper is America best kept secret. 500 shot on a stock motor. CANT BEAT IT
        No doubt. I also think it is very cool that they intentionally beefed up the Gen5 motor because they knew enthusiasts would push it beyond stock.

        -Rich
      1. nbrigdan's Avatar
        nbrigdan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by richpike Click here to enlarge
        No doubt. I also think it is very cool that they intentionally beefed up the Gen5 motor because they knew enthusiasts would push it beyond stock.
        When I read about that it was really the turning point where I noticed / realized that American car companies cared more about enthusiasts than their European counterparts, in general at least.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by nbrigdan Click here to enlarge
        When I read about that it was really the turning point where I noticed / realized that American car companies cared more about enthusiasts than their European counterparts, in general at least.
        The Europeans don't deserve our business.

        It's a shame the Americans still carry a quality stigma because of how poor they used to be.
      1. SVP03's Avatar
        SVP03 -
        All other test is the Audi R8 a little bit faster than the Horican.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SVP03 Click here to enlarge
        All other test is the Audi R8 a little bit faster than the Horican.
        That's not true.