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    • Magnuson TVS2300 supercharged 2016 Camaro LT1 runs 10.8@128.53 in the 1/4 mile

      Well, that did not take long. Shortly after posting dyno figures for the Magnuson Heartbeat TVS2300 based 2016 Camaro SS LT1 supercharger we now have 1/4 mile times. Keep in mind this is a bolt on kit at only 6 psi with a pump gas tune and everything else is stock (except the tires).


      At Famoso in California today (date on the slip is off) a 6th gen Camaro SS powered by the Eaton TVS2300 blower went 10.877 @ 128.53 on a 1.558 60 foot. The car hooked very well.
      We do not know the transmission but we assume an automatic. Hopefully Magnuson will clarify.

      Additionally, this was not a cool day in California. The density altitude at Famoso for the run was 1328 feet.

      Regardless, this is daily repeatable performance with just a blower on low boost. Now to crank it up on race gas!


      This article was originally published in forum thread: Magnuson TVS2300 supercharged 2016 Camaro LT1 runs 10.8@128.53 in the 1/4 mile started by Sticky View original post
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      1. TT C6's Avatar
        TT C6 -
        PD blowers are garbage. There are literally hundreds of ECS centrifugals making 700+RWHP on 100% stock LT1s and will $hit on all these PD numbers.
        IF I mod my 2016 SS, I will do a ECS, headers, and meth to run 9's.
      1. JonJT's Avatar
        JonJT -
        PD blowers are not garbage. If anything, this specific kit is just not competitive. Some of them have thermodynamic efficiencies that approach those of a turbocharger.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by JonJT Click here to enlarge
        PD blowers are not garbage. If anything, this specific kit is just not competitive. Some of them have thermodynamic efficiencies that approach those of a turbocharger.
        I have no idea why anyone would say positive displacements are garbage.

        ECS is just a rebranded centrifugal from any of the big names.

        He is focusing on peak hp but forgetting this is a stock car with just a blower on a pump gas tune. You can increase the boost on this just like ECS does. You can also add headers and meth.

        The main difference is the PD will have better torque down low, better driveability, and better throttle response. These things make it more fun to drive than a peaky centri.
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I have no idea why anyone would say positive displacements are garbage.

        ECS is just a rebranded centrifugal from any of the big names.

        He is focusing on peak hp but forgetting this is a stock car with just a blower on a pump gas tune. You can increase the boost on this just like ECS does. You can also add headers and meth.

        The main difference is the PD will have better torque down low, better driveability, and better throttle response. These things make it more fun to drive than a peaky centri.
        Found him. Lol he goes on all the vendor/owner install threads for PD blowers, and says the same thing.

        Sorry for the huge images, hard to resize when you're posting from a phone.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        Found him. Lol he goes on all the vendor/owner install threads for PD blowers, and says the same thing.
        That's what he does. Regurgitates the same crap over and over until banned.

        For the record the idea that a whipple is only for trucks is kind of idiotic: http://www.fordboost.com/content.php...k-Coyote-motor
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Yeah, seems like the kind of guy. I agree with him that a centri is a great option, but I'd imagine that even with a block off plate, it lacks the low end torque of a PD. I'm waiting for numbers on a job offer I got last week, to decide if I want to go C7, or 6th gen. 6th gen will definitely give me more mod money, but then again, the C7 is just so damn nice. Either way, I'll probably wait a year or so, then pick up a kit from Whipple, or ECS. Whipple has an optional warranty, so that makes it even more attractive. Supposedly they got 600whp on 91, with nothing but the supercharger, in their 6th gen testing.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        I agree with him that a centri is a great option, but I'd imagine that even with a block off plate, it lacks the low end torque of a PD.
        I've been in centri V8 cars and whipple V8 cars. If all you do is hang out on the highway, the centri is great.

        If you actually like to drive, the PD wins every single time. It's just more fun at all rpm ranges and far more responsive.

        If you're worried about peak HP or losing a race, even though a PD on a big V8 has nothing to worry about when turned up, go ahead and go centri.

        His reasoning is flawed and does not even agree with the reality of the performance results. It doesn't even make sense to compare a TVS blower at 6 psi on a stock car against a car with supporting modifications including meth running more boost from a centri.

        Just flawed logic.

        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        Either way, I'll probably wait a year or so, then pick up a kit from Whipple, or ECS.
        For what car?
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I've been in centri V8 cars and whipple V8 cars. If all you do is hang out on the highway, the centri is great.

        If you actually like to drive, the PD wins every single time. It's just more fun at all rpm ranges and far more responsive.

        If you're worried about peak HP or losing a race, even though a PD on a big V8 has nothing to worry about when turned up, go ahead and go centri.

        His reasoning is flawed and does not even agree with the reality of the performance results. It doesn't even make sense to compare a TVS blower at 6 psi on a stock car against a car with supporting modifications including meth running more boost from a centri.

        Just flawed logic.



        For what car?
        Good to know. I've never ridden in a Whipple, or centri car. Only supercharged car I've ever ridden in was my in law's S4.

        It just depends on what my financial situation will be. I'll know by next week. I was interning with the company, and they offered me a choice of two positions, so they didn't give a number at the time. Most likely, it will be a '16 1SS, with maybe the NPP, or 6 piston brakes.
      1. nbrigdan's Avatar
        nbrigdan -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        It just depends on what my financial situation will be. I'll know by next week. I was interning with the company, and they offered me a choice of two positions, so they didn't give a number at the time. Most likely, it will be a '16 1SS, with maybe the NPP, or 6 piston brakes.
        Very solid choice. Get us a build thread when it finally comes around! Click here to enlarge

        Be sure to go beat up on some M4s too. Click here to enlarge
      1. LesBaer's Avatar
        LesBaer -
        Thanks for the info. I just joined the forum after purchasing a new Camaro SS to learn more about adding boost to the LT1. Currently I have 1 7/8" ARH LTs and a Heartbeat being installed and tuned. I'm a noob when it comes to forced induction so I'm planning on staying at 6psi until I understand the issues better, and of course until my wider shoes arrive. I'm aware of some of the general limitations using pump gas and that there's a ECU bug with the gen6 tied to meth. I'd be very appreciative if anyone with some first hand knowledge could share some additional information with me on their experiences with adding forced induction to the gen6 SS. Thanks for your help.
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LesBaer Click here to enlarge
        Thanks for the info. I just joined the forum after purchasing a new Camaro SS to learn more about adding boost to the LT1. Currently I have 1 7/8" ARH LTs and a Heartbeat being installed and tuned. I'm a noob when it comes to forced induction so I'm planning on staying at 6psi until I understand the issues better, and of course until my wider shoes arrive. I'm aware of some of the general limitations using pump gas and that there's a ECU bug with the gen6 tied to meth. I'd be very appreciative if anyone with some first hand knowledge could share some additional information with me on their experiences with adding forced induction to the gen6 SS. Thanks for your help.
        I recognize your username from Camaro6, good to have you here. I've been lurking over there for a month or so now. Gonna have the setup dyno'd?
        From what I read, the bug in the firmware has to do with E85. If you install a flex fuel sensor, it won't read the ethanol content correctly, is that the bug you're referring to, or is there another? Can't say anyone here has experience with the gen6, but plenty of us have experience with boosting DI cars, so some of that knowledge should translate.
        With headers and the heartbeat, I'm betting you'll be able to get close to, if not over 600 on 93 octane. C7's have hit 580 with the same setup, and the gen6 comes with better flowing headers, but still shows the same kind of gains with aftermarket versions as the c7 does (~20rwhp).
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LesBaer Click here to enlarge
        I'm aware of some of the general limitations using pump gas and that there's a ECU bug with the gen6 tied to meth. I'd be very appreciative if anyone with some first hand knowledge could share some additional information with me on their experiences with adding forced induction to the gen6 SS. Thanks for your help.
        The LT4 is basically just a reworked LT1 for boost. Guys with C7 Corvettes have been boosting them for a while whether it be with a centrifugal blower or a roots like you see here.

        At low boost there is absolutely nothing to worry about.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        With headers and the heartbeat, I'm betting you'll be able to get close to, if not over 600 on 93 octane.
        http://www.chevyboost.com/content.ph...-down-580-rwhp
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Yep, that's what I was referencing. Given the low baseline, the fact that the C7s are averaging slightly lower stock numbers, and the choppy tune up top, wouldn't you agree with 600 on pump? I wonder how much more headroom the new 2300 has?
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        Given the low baseline, the fact that the C7s are averaging slightly lower stock numbers, and the choppy tune up top, wouldn't you agree with 600 on pump? I wonder how much more headroom the new 2300 has?
        I would agree, yes. I think when pushed you can easily do 700+ with it.

        Look at the LT4 results: http://www.chevyboost.com/showthread...pgrade-results
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        I would agree, yes. I think when pushed you can easily do 700+ with it.

        Look at the LT4 results: http://www.chevyboost.com/showthread...pgrade-results
        Crap, I completely forgot about that article. So it looks like it'll do 800, if you improve the breathing of the motor with a cam. The 830 also has meth, but that's still very impressive for a 2.3 roots. 830 on pump/meth from a 2.3 roots, with a cam makes me excited for what the 2.9 Whipple can do when pushed. All of this doesn't even take into account that the lt1 has slightly higher compression, so more power per psi of boost.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        Crap, I completely forgot about that article. So it looks like it'll do 800, if you improve the breathing of the motor with a cam. The 830 also has meth, but that's still very impressive for a 2.3 roots. 830 on pump/meth from a 2.3 roots, with a cam makes me excited for what the 2.9 Whipple can do when pushed. All of this doesn't even take into account that the lt1 has slightly higher compression, so more power per psi of boost.
        Yep you probably would get better response and so forth with the LT1 at the higher compression without having to sping the TVS2300 as hard to make the same power.

        The stock internals should take about where you want to push it too. In that sense, it's perfectly sized and the LT1 is a good choice as it will make similar whp at lower boost meaning less heat. You'll need better quality fuel though or meth.
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        Yep you probably would get better response and so forth with the LT1 at the higher compression without having to sping the TVS2300 as hard to make the same power.

        The stock internals should take about where you want to push it too. In that sense, it's perfectly sized and the LT1 is a good choice as it will make similar whp at lower boost meaning less heat. You'll need better quality fuel though or meth.
        If the stock internals will handle mid 700s (will start at low 600s then add more as I get the itch), I'll be happy. I have an E85 station less than 4 miles away so I'm set haha
        Man I'm really looking forward to picking up one of these cars. It's borderline though, I could afford the C7, but after all my other expenses, I wouldn't have nearly as much for modding. Decisions, decisions.
      1. Sticky's Avatar
        Sticky -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Gmanuel11 Click here to enlarge
        Man I'm really looking forward to picking up one of these cars. It's borderline though, I could afford the C7, but after all my other expenses, I wouldn't have nearly as much for modding. Decisions, decisions.
        The C7 is the better car. You don't need to mod it to get more enjoyment out of it.
      1. Gmanuel11's Avatar
        Gmanuel11 -
        Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
        The C7 is the better car. You don't need to mod it to get more enjoyment out of it.
        True, but is it 20k better? If I'm only going to be doing track days once or maybe twice a year, and it's going to be a daily driver, it kind of swings the argument back towards the camaro. But then again, C7. If I can find a good deal on a lightly used C7, then that's the ticket.