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    Interesting PROcede gossip

    Just some things going around we have been hearing from those that went to SEMA

    "So here is the scoop as I heard it:

    Apparently Adrian used to work for Haltech doing embedded design. And designed among other things the Interceptor Platinum for them, what the current PROcede is based on.

    He left to work for another non-automotive company and Haltech would bring him back here and there for updates as needed.

    Shiv started buying from Haltech but needed more programming support than they could provide. So they put him in contact with Adrian. It got too expensive for Haltech so they let Shiv pay Adrian directly for support, and finally allowed Adrian to license use of the hardware he had designed working for them. As part of that license Haltech still builds the hardware for some set fee.

    Adrian still works for another company and helps Shiv part time doing firmware updates.

    For the long timers it's funny to hear the real story, as Shiv had outright denied working with Haltech around 4 years ago when switching from the XEde. Despite the obvious signs (like Haltech printed on the PROcede circuit board!)

    Anyway Haltech offers a variety of newer interceptor type products and seems open to anyone in terms of volume licensing. Although Adrian is probably locked up exclusively with Shiv through some sort of consulting agreement. Not that we have any interest in that as we have the capability to design our own stuff but anyone with the money and interest can pursue it with Haltech. Some of their new stuff is pretty impressive! "

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    Seems like there are a lot of "internet tuners" around here claiming they can do what everyone else can.. maybe time for their own company? I mean, if haltech provides everything, all they need to do is the tune it right?

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    I wish I would have seen this before I went to SEMA, I would have been more than happy to grill Haltech for all the details.

    But, if this is the case, seems everybody is getting their stuff through Haltech? So what is it Shiv does exactly? Haltech just gave their contact, Adrian, directly to Shiv.

    I would venture to guess the exclusive deal with Adrian is quite correct, although now it seems anyone can be a genius, they just need Adrian behind the scenes doing the work to take credit for.

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    So Haltech still makes the circuitry, but Adrian does the software, and Shiv markets?

    Just going out on a limb here...

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    So adrian is the one with the brains behind the whole operation while shiv takes credit for 'designing' this Procede that is his own idea when its really from Haltech...

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    lol good find LM

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    i didnt go, i wish i had, we'd have some good info then. but it still asks the question, who really does the work over there? if Adrian is doing the tuning, haltech does the manufacturing, does that just leave the BS marketing to the Shiv?
    does he actually know what he posts about, or is he just copy/pasting what adrian is saying? kinda the reverse of what mike /Terry get blamed for all the time.

    if all this is true, then whats the point of having shiv? just so he can slap his name on things and type some BS?


    i always said, if you lie about the small things, you cant be trusted for the bigger things.. I guess he is taking a politcal route on answering this though.. and that would be to just ignore it.. Thanks Shiv, stand-up guy you are

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    i dont think it's all adrian. im not even sure if adrian has an x35. he would need some mule to test his code and logic on. shiv probably tests it back here in the states and then markets it. he's probably in contact with adrian all the time thinking of new ideas and interesting features to implement. sure adrian does the hard work of taking words and putting the logic into something a computer can read, but the long timers have known about adrian for a while, and i didnt even get a procede until the last runnings of v3, i was running the SSTT! what is the relationship like with mike and terry? do they do equal work? anyway, with all that said this is a good thread, it shows the community the man behind the curtain. im surprised you haven't received rep for your thread LM, not even from sticky!
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    well, its just gossip, no need to rep for that.

    we all know adrian is the brains, its just how thats twisted to the public, that Shiv does it all. its probably much more like what the average customer does with the G3 JB3, customer logs and send it to T so he can mke adjustments. Proceed works as Shiv logs and sends them to Adrian. Adrian does the work, SHiv is just the middle man it seems like..

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    if Adrian is doing the tuning, haltech does the manufacturing, does that just leave the BS marketing to the Shiv?
    does he actually know what he posts about, or is he just copy/pasting what adrian is saying? kinda the reverse of what mike /Terry get blamed for all the time.

    if all this is true, then whats the point of having shiv? just so he can slap his name on things and type some BS?
    It sure does mitigate Shiv's self-proclaimed brilliance. He is just doing what he criticizes others of doing, although now I understand where Adrian's expertise comes from.

    What's the point of having Shiv? Forum marketing, he got the competition pushed off e90post.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LostMarine Click here to enlarge
    SHiv is just the middle man it seems like..
    Part of it is knowing the right people and it seems he did. If Shiv was some super amazing tuner would he have been pushed out of every other market he attempted?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by oddjob2021 Click here to enlarge
    im surprised you haven't received rep for your thread LM, not even from sticky!
    He did by creating the thread Click here to enlarge Also, this is a lot of speculation so it needs to be confirmed.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    He did by creating the thread Click here to enlarge Also, this is a lot of speculation so it needs to be confirmed.
    if only any of the above mentioned were allowed to post here...

    oh wait.. its not ENazipost, so they CAN!! Click here to enlarge

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    I will say it was interesting to get confirmation for what we all knew all along. That it was private labeled Haltech hardware. RE: Shiv even with a good engineer you still need a tuner and an idea guy. Not sure what Adrian's background is in those arenas but that is likely the piece that stood between him and the couple million Shiv has made reselling his box.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Shiv even with a good engineer you still need a tuner and an idea guy. Not sure what Adrian's background is in those arenas but that is likely the piece that stood between him and the couple million Shiv has made reselling his box.
    Why doesn't Adrian just cut Shiv out? I would.

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    Shiv has won the minds of the procede users...

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by mazdaspeed6 Click here to enlarge
    Shiv has won the minds of the procede users...
    And it would seem that is the only job he has.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    He did by creating the thread Click here to enlarge Also, this is a lot of speculation so it needs to be confirmed.
    Pretty sure the "haltech" logo on the V4 board confirms a lot of the speculation LOL

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    And it would seem that is the only job he has.
    Lmao

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Giggity Click here to enlarge
    Pretty sure the "haltech" logo on the V4 board confirms a lot of the speculation LOL
    I haven't even seen a V4 board in person but that is a good point.

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    Here's the lie that started it all. An argument with their previous hardware partner, ChipTorque, back in 2007. Click here to enlarge

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by LOK11atXEDE
    I don’t propose to know what Vishnu’s primary requirements are. The Vishnu PROcede is, unless I'm very, very mistaken (and I have been doing this for more than a few years now) a Haltech Interceptor. The Interceptor was made by Haltech a couple of years after we made the XEDE and "hello" to Scotty and the boys at Haltech in Sydney Australia, whom I know well. When we heard of their Interceptor's impending manufacture, we suggested they use a different box/case so it didn't look like an XEDE but, that's old news now anyway. I'm sure the PROcede has a nice new sticker on the front that says PROcede etc etc. The editing/uploading software will say PROcede but, no doubt will be licenced to a Sydney company.

    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
    Incorrect. But that's cool.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Terry@BMS Click here to enlarge
    Here's the lie that started it all. An argument with their previous hardware partner, ChipTorque, back in 2007. Click here to enlarge
    You know what, this is too good, I'm putting it on the front page.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by alq80 Click here to enlarge
    Pretty cool topic...
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