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    2015 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG may pack 480 hp Twin-turbo 4.0-liter sedan to debut at Paris Motor Show; no 4Matic option for now

    This C63 better get AWD and a DCT.
    If it doesn't get both in 2014, it's a FAILURE.



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    Mercedes-Benz's new-from-the-ground-up 2015 C63 AMG has reached a final stage of durability testing, with prototypes hitting public roads near company's technical center in Germany. The BMW M3-fighting four-door is will debut at the Paris motor show in September.
    The new twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V8-powered performance sedan is set for North American sale exclusively in its rear-wheel-drive-only guise. It'll be the first in a quartet of upcoming C63 AMG models introduced into the tuning company's ever-expanding lineup within the next two years. Stablemates will include a successor to today's C63 AMG wagon and C63 AMG coupe, along with an all-new C63 AMG convertible.
    The new C63 AMG sedan mirrors the changes made to the latest fourth-generation C-class sedan, revealed at the Detroit auto show. It grows in length, width and height in a move that will position further up-market than its predecessor. The adoption of a new aluminum-intensive platform structure and an predominately aluminum body shell ensures the increase in size will not have a big effect on curb weight, with Mercedes-Benz claiming savings in the region of 110 pounds, compared to the steel-bodied third-generation model.
    Continuing the look established on the latest E63 AMG, the new C63 AMG will be distinguished by a series exterior styling changes aimed at providing an even more muscular appearance than standard versions of the new C-class.
    We got a preview of the look on standard versions of the C-class fitted with the optional AMG optic package. But the C63 AMG will go further, featuring a heavily structured front fascia with sizeable air ducts to provide more efficient engine bay cooling, AMG's latest blade grille treatment, reworked hood, heavily flared front fenders, wider sills and a deeper rear bumper that houses trapezoidal chromed tailpipes.
    Power hails from Mercedes-Benz performance division's upcoming M117 engine -- the same unit earmarked for the German car maker's SLS successor, currently known by its internal “C190” codename. The twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter direct injection V8 gasoline engine is a brand-new development. It forms a crucial role in AMG's future engine strategy, sharing a modular architecture with the twin-scroll turbocharged 2.0-liter direct injection four-cylinder gasoline mill, including its 90 mm cylinder bore space and 7 mm cylinder wall thickness.
    Further details remain scarce, but AMG insiders suggest the M117 may support an output between 450 and 600 hp. Since the outgoing C63 AMG's naturally aspirated 6.2-liter V8 is already good for 451 hp, its replacement is expected to up the ante to somewhere in the region of 480 hp. Forced induction, present in the C-class based performance sedan for the very first time, should also help extend its torque reserves beyond the 443 lb-ft of its predecessor.
    The recently unveiled BMW M3, by comparison, packs a new turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six gasoline engine producing 425 hp and 405 lb-ft, while the Audi RS4's naturally aspirated 4.2-liter V8 delivers 444 hp and 317 lb-ft.
    Channeling drive to the rear wheels is an updated version of AMG's existing seven-speed SpeedShift automatic gearbox. It will be supported by a range of driving aids, including a three-stage electronic stability control system and optional locking differential.
    Nothing is official more than six months out from the C63 AMG's planned premiere, but insiders suggest it will be easily capable of eclipsing the standing start performance of its predecessor, which boasted an official 0-62 mph time of 4.5 seconds and a limited 155 mph top speed.
    The new C63 AMG eschews the air suspension that is being made available as an option on various new C-class models for the first time, receiving a heavily reworked version of its more conventional steel-sprung arrangement with unique track widths, firmer springs and dampers, altered elastokinematics and a lowered ride height.
    Despite experiencing solid sales success with recent four-wheel drive models (including the E63 AMG 4Matic and S63 AMG 4Matic) in key markets such as North America, there are no known plans for a four-wheel drive C63 AMG 4Matic.
    “There will be no four-wheel drive on the C63 AMG,” AMG boss Tobias Moers told Autocar at the recent Detroit auto show. “You should never say never, but for the foreseeable future, we will not offer it on the C63 AMG, either as standard or as an option.”


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    I wanted a AMG for the AWD, DCT, and a twin turbo V8.
    It sounds like the ONLY thing AMG is going to get right with the C63 is the V8 TT, and they are dropping it from a respectable 5.5L, down to a wimpy 4.0L.

    If I wanted RWD, I would stick with a GM product and blow all this euro trash off the road with more power, less complexity and cost.
    I was willing to buy a lighter weight C63 as a "S4 with a S6 motor", but I will just buy a S6 for the DCT and AWD if AMG f#cks the C63 up,
    which it sounds like they are going to.

    Frankly, if the rumors of a GM launching version of the lightweight ATS coupe (alpha chassis) in 2015 with the Corvette drivetrain as the 2016 Camaro, even that will be a better buy than a RWD C63. The 2016 Camaro will weigh 3,600lb, make 460hp, and sell in the $30k range.
    Spend another $8k to add a ECS centri blower, headers, and meth injection system for a reliable 750rwhp combination capable of running 9's.
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    Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge My head hurts......you want one? Click here to enlarge

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    Is 480 horsepower stock out of the 4.0 liter M177 turbo V8 enough for the 2015 W205 C63 AMG?

    480 horsepower is certainly a good amount of power and that is what Autoweek is reporting the upcoming 2015 W205 C63 AMG will put out from its twin turbo 4.0 liter M177 V8 motor. That is more power than the previous generation W204 C63 AMG had stock at 451 but about equal to its 481 horsepower with the optional P31 Performance Package. Let's say the new C63 matches the P31 W204 and has 481 horsepower. Is that enough?

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    To hold off the upcoming F80 M3 and F82 M4's 425 horsepower S55B30 motor it is likely just enough. Keep in mind the W204 C63 was rated at 37 horsepower more than the E92 M3 and had a larger motor but due to the M3 being lighter and having an optional dual clutch transmission it was a driver's race with similar acceleration figures.

    It looks like history is set to repeat itself as the W205 C63 AMG will not have a dual clutch transmission option and is likely to be heavier than the 3306 pound M3/M4. The W205 C-Class is lighter than the W204 but we will have to see how much weight Mercedes is really able to cut from the C63 AMG. Even getting into the 3600 pound range sounds optimistic.

    This next generation battle is shaping up similarly to the previous generation with the C63 having the bigger motor and being heavier whereas the M3 is lighter and relies on efficiency technology such as its dual clutch transmission. The wildcard is another performance package from Mercedes which BenzBoost already confirmed. BMW this time around with a turbo motor though will be able to respond with a performance package of their own as the do on the M5/M6 models.

    Brute force versus efficiency? Something in the middle? We shall have to wait and see.

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    AMG engineers arn't stupid. The DCT isn't everything, the trans they use is fine. And a V8 TT is a better motor to work with if you want to built it up.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Bozo954 Click here to enlarge
    Click here to enlargeClick here to enlarge My head hurts......you want one? Click here to enlarge

    (Thought to self: Click here to enlarge Lord help this man. Click here to enlarge Click here to enlarge)

    Click here to enlarge Who's got the damn pacifier!!??

    Go f@ck yourself.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    AMG engineers arn't stupid. The DCT isn't everything,.
    Wrong.
    AMG engineers ARE stupid if the C63 doesn't get a DCT.
    DCT is everything because it's the best transmission available.
    Educate yourself instead of blindly leg humping Mercedes.

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    This engine will probably crap all over that little 3.0 TT from BMW. Probably will make 600hp crank with just a tune. Dont get me wrong, the S55 looks to be amazing with mods, but I still don't think it will make no where near as much HP as the M177 with a tune and mods. Also, the trans in the c63 will probably take a lot more pain than that DCT in the M3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Wrong.
    AMG engineers ARE stupid if the C63 doesn't get a DCT.
    DCT is everything because it's the best transmission available.
    Educate yourself instead of blindly leg humping Mercedes.
    We will see.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by E90Company Click here to enlarge
    AMG engineers arn't stupid. The DCT isn't everything, the trans they use is fine. And a V8 TT is a better motor to work with if you want to built it up.
    True but the DCT is more efficient. It helps make up for the displacement disadvantage just like it did with the S65 versus the M156.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    This engine will probably crap all over that little 3.0 TT from BMW. Probably will make 600hp crank with just a tune. Dont get me wrong, the S55 looks to be amazing with mods, but I still don't think it will make no where near as much HP as the M177 with a tune and mods. Also, the trans in the c63 will probably take a lot more pain than that DCT in the M3.
    It will get more tune only I do not doubt that. So did the M156. The M3's strengths will be lighter weight, higher redline, and a DCT.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    True but the DCT is more efficient. It helps make up for the displacement disadvantage just like it did with the S65 versus the M156.
    Yes it is. But this car will be just fine without it.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It will get more tune only I do not doubt that. So did the M156. The M3's strengths will be lighter weight, higher redline, and a DCT.
    For sure. But at the end of the day. You can sign me up for a c7 vette for the same price Click here to enlarge

    Edit: actually, cheaper with all options.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    For sure. But at the end of the day. You can sign me up for a c7 vette for the same price Click here to enlarge
    I'll take the C7 too. Different class of car though.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by leo985i Click here to enlarge
    For sure. But at the end of the day. You can sign me up for a c7 vette for the same price Click here to enlarge

    Edit: actually, cheaper with all options.
    The MSRP for a C7 with a 7spd stick, Z51, and MSRC is $56k.
    Add a set of headers and a custom tune for $2k and you're good to go.
    Add a ECS centri installed and tuned for $5,000 and then you have the best RWD/stickshift car money can buy......at a bargain.
    With meth, that combination is good for 750rwhp and 9 second timeslips.


    But, I already have 9 second toys.
    I want a daily driver sedan with DCT and AWD that is smaller and lighter than the S6, while still matching the S6's is capabililty of 12's out of the box, and 11's with some mods.
    Is that too much to ask ????

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    Since C (W205) cars ARE MB products... and AMG version it's a modified MB product; it will get a 722.930 transmission. Only, the AMG SLS that's entirely designed by AMG Gmbh; they can pick an 7g Getrac DCT. Or the Pagani w/AMG V12 biturbo, it gets a Xtrac DCT =)

    But, I wouldn't mind it getting a DCT from like Porsche Panamera Turbo or Turbo S 7speed ZF PDK.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by m54b25 Click here to enlarge
    Since C (W205) cars ARE MB products... and AMG version it's a modified MB product; it will get a 722.930 transmission. Only, the AMG SLS that's entirely designed by AMG Gmbh; they can pick an 7g Getrac DCT. Or the Pagani w/AMG V12 biturbo, it gets a Xtrac DCT =)

    But, I wouldn't mind it getting a DCT from like Porsche Panamera Turbo or Turbo S 7speed ZF PDK.
    I noticed you put a ZERO after the .93 above. Is this in reference to the MCT gearbox ?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    True but the DCT is more efficient. It helps make up for the displacement disadvantage just like it did with the S65 versus the M156.
    Not just a displacement advantage anymore.

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    Bravo to Benz for making it rwd. F*CK awd!

    DCT would have been nice though. We will see if they have any new enhancements for the MCT.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by BlackJetE90OC Click here to enlarge
    Not just a displacement advantage anymore.
    Then what is it? Cylinder count you mean?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Nah.
    F@ck YOU.

    If AWD sucks, explain the 2014 E63, 911 Turbo S, GTR, Lamborghini Gallardo/Huracan, Audi R8, etc.
    I am SO tired of uneducated idiots spouting off nonsense about AWD.
    Get a clue.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by TT C6 Click here to enlarge
    Nah.
    F@ck YOU.

    If AWD sucks, explain the 2014 E63, 911 Turbo S, GTR, Lamborghini Gallardo/Huracan, Audi R8, etc.
    I am SO tired of uneducated idiots spouting off nonsense about AWD.
    Get a clue.
    ...uhh what exactly do you want us to explain about those cars? They're faster from 0-60 because of all wheel drive but are much more boring to drive because of it. All wheel drive adds weight, it adds parasitic drivetrain loss (so less power is available to push the car forwards) it ruins steering feel and often precision (high power AWD cars sometimes exhibit torque steer), etc. I've driven every car you mentioned except the 991 911 Turbo S (driven plenty of 996 and 997s) so I'm speaking form personal experience when I say the rear wheel drive versions of the 911 and E63 are way better, the Gallardo is fun but not that great, and the GTR is a bore.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    ...uhh what exactly do you want us to explain about those cars? They're faster from 0-60 because of all wheel drive but are much more boring to drive because of it. All wheel drive adds weight, it adds parasitic drivetrain loss (so less power is available to push the car forwards) it ruins steering feel and often precision (high power AWD cars sometimes exhibit torque steer), etc. I've driven every car you mentioned except the 991 911 Turbo S (driven plenty of 996 and 997s) so I'm speaking form personal experience when I say the rear wheel drive versions of the 911 and E63 are way better, the Gallardo is fun but not that great, and the GTR is a bore.
    Well said sir. Well said.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Remonster Click here to enlarge
    ...uhh what exactly do you want us to explain about those cars? They're faster from 0-60 because of all wheel drive but are much more boring to drive because of it. All wheel drive adds weight, it adds parasitic drivetrain loss (so less power is available to push the car forwards) it ruins steering feel and often precision (high power AWD cars sometimes exhibit torque steer), etc. I've driven every car you mentioned except the 991 911 Turbo S (driven plenty of 996 and 997s) so I'm speaking form personal experience when I say the rear wheel drive versions of the 911 and E63 are way better, the Gallardo is fun but not that great, and the GTR is a bore.
    Then, explain how the ALL WHEEL DRIVE 991 911 C4s won the "best drivers car" over all the RWD competition.
    Anyone who doesn't recognize AWD is the superior drivetrain for a DAILY DRIVER SEDAN has never owned a 500+++ rwhp car or driven through a cold and wet winter.
    The fact that needs to be spelled out for some people means there is no lack of stupidity.

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