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    Next generation Porsche 991 GT3 will not get a dual clutch / PDK transmission

    This is rather depressing news as we were hoping Porsche had embraced the PDK especially with the new 911 putting up lap times using this transmission as quick as the previous generation GT3. In an interview with MotorTrend, Porsche CEO Matthias Mueller stated the next generation GT3 would not be getting the PDK transmission. One reason why may be due to the weight of the transmission which can provide up to a 80 pound weight penalty. The performance advantage clearly outweighs the weight penalty however so we say give people the option. For now though, the GT3 remains the purest driving experience one can get.

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    Good to see they kept the automatic trans out of the GT3.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    $#@! no. keep the automatic trans out of the GT3.
    It isn't an automatic.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It isn't an automatic.
    PDK is an automated trans = automatic

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    PDK is an automated trans = automatic
    Stupid generalization that in no way reflects what it actually is. Hence why it is called PDK because it has two clutches unlike automatic transmissions with a torque converter. Call it what it is as anything else is wrong.

    Also has manual modes so = manual right Click here to enlarge

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    my triptronic also has a manual mode so is it a manual transmission?

    PDK is an Automatic with clutches thats it. You can put it in drive and never throw a single shift therefore it is an automatic.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    my triptronic also has a manual so is it a manual transmission?
    Thank you realizing how stupid it is to use shift modes to define a transmission, highlighting the point of my argument precisely.

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    PDK is an Automatic with clutches thats it. You can put it in drive and never throw a single shift therefore it is an automatic.
    Uh, no, it has more in common with a manual than an automatic. It has a shift mode that will shift for you just like it has a manual mode where you shift. So sorry, not an automatic, and calling it an automatic is wrong end of story.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Thank you realizing how stupid it is to use shift modes to define a transmission, highlighting the point of my argument precisely.



    Uh, no, it has more in common with a manual than an automatic. It has a shift mode that will shift for you just like it has a manual mode where you shift. So sorry, not an automatic, and calling it an automatic is wrong end of story.

    The people who make it call it an automatic so it is an automatic end of story. It is an automated device so by definition it is an automatic.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    The people who make it call it an automatic so it is an automatic end of story. It is an automated device so by definition it is an automatic.
    Weird, I thought they called it PDK which does not have automatic anywhere in it. Neither does DSG or DCT.

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    Here is the end of the discussion:

    A dual clutch transmission, commonly abbreviated to DCT (sometimes informally referred to as a twin-clutch gearbox, double clutch transmission, or similar variations thereof), is a differing type of semi-automatic or automated manual automotive transmission. It utilises two separate clutches[2] for odd and even gear sets. It can fundamentally be described as two separate manual transmissions (with their respective clutches) contained within one housing, and working as one unit.
    Automated modes don't give it a torque converter which is what an automatic is. Don't call it an automatic call it a PDK as that is the name for it. Not hard to figure out.

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    Try reading your own link:

    The optional Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK), with both manual gearshift and an automatic mode
    PDK is essentially two half gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
    Whoops...

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    Porsche doesn't call it an automatic or manual, they call it a PDK and compared it to traditional automatics and manuals. How you confused this I have no idea:

    The advantage over a fully manual transmission is the considerably faster rate of acceleration for the same rate of fuel consumption. The advantage over a fully automatic transmission is the perceptible increase in driving dynamics – with a similar level of comfort, and a distinct reduction in fuel consumption.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Here is the end of the discussion:



    Automated modes don't give it a torque converter which is what an automatic is. Don't call it an automatic call it a PDK as that is the name for it. Not hard to figure out.

    torque converter? what?

    PDK and DCT are both automatics. It doesn't matter what you say. They are both automatics. I have nothing to figure out. This discussion is over.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    PDK and DCT are both automatics. It doesn't matter what you say. They are both automatics. I have nothing to figure out. This discussion is over.
    Porsche gets it, why don't you?

    If you don't know what a torque converter is why are we talking?

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Porsche gets it, why don't you?

    If you don't know what a torque converter is why are we talking?
    I get it perfectly. It is an automatic transmission with a double clutch system.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    I get it perfectly. It is an automatic transmission with a double clutch system.
    No, you don't get it, so I suggest reading the page you linked to again and again until you do.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    No, you don't get it, so I suggest reading the page you linked to again and again until you do.
    I suggest you stop replying to my post because honestly you are talking nonsense and I dont have time for this crap.

    Its an automatic transmission and it doesn't matter how many times you refute it

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    I have to say I am happy they kept it out. Too many "non drivers" would buy them and just make them another car that stays on the road. This will keep it a pure enthusiasts car Click here to enlarge That car has one of the best gearboxes I have ever had the privilege to drive and I couldnt imagine it any other way. This car isnt about have the fastest lap time, its about the experience, the sensation, the thrill of driving and the amount of fun you have will getting around the track.

    But I am slightly surprised, as they would probably sell more if they offered the pdk, would have a greater market. Im sure they will have something else with pdk that will rip off faster lap times.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    I suggest you stop replying to my post because honestly you are talking nonsense and I dont have time for this crap.

    Its an automatic transmission and it doesn't matter how many times you refute it
    It doesn't matter how many times I refute it?

    re·fute   [ri-fyoot] Show IPA
    verb (used with object), -fut·ed, -fut·ing.
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    to prove to be false or erroneous, as an opinion or charge.
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    to prove (a person) to be in error.

    You chose the right word. Porsche makes the distinction between automatics, manuals, and PDK's. You should as well.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD Click here to enlarge
    But I am slightly surprised, as they would probably sell more if they offered the pdk, would have a greater market. Im sure they will have something else with pdk that will rip off faster lap times.
    Exactly, they would have sold more. Then again, the GT3 isn't a high volume model.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    It doesn't matter how many times I refute it?

    re·fute   [ri-fyoot] Show IPA
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    You chose the right word. Porsche makes the distinction between automatics, manuals, and PDK's. You should as well.

    Wrong.

    They state the PDK is an automatic. You should accept it

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge

    They state the PDK is an automatic. You should accept it
    Learn how to read and comprehend what you have read, they state it has an automatic mode, as well as a manual gearshift:

    The optional Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK), with both manual gearshift and an automatic mode, enables smooth gear changes with no interruption in the flow of power. This results in significantly faster acceleration and lower fuel consumption, without having to sacrifice the ease of automatic transmission.

    PDK is essentially two half gearboxes in one and thus requires two clutches – designed as a double wet clutch transmission.
    I don't know how it can be any more clear and do not know why you are jumping to an erroneous conclusion when it is spelled out for you right there.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Learn how to read and comprehend what you have read, they state it has an automatic mode, as well as a manual gearshift:



    I don't know how it can be any more clear and do not know why you are jumping to an erroneous conclusion when it is spelled out for you right there.

    It just states that it has to different modes. Same as with a triptronic. It is an automatic transmission with two modes.

    Be it a Triptronic, PDk or DCT it is an automatic trans

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