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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    based on power and 1/4 times a 997 is better
    based on luxury and exclusivity a 997 is better

    based on soul WTF is that
    Soul is what you feel when you drive a truly good car. You want to know what it is like to drive a GTR? Pick up a playstation and play Gran Turismo. The intangibles are what separate a truly great car from a good car, the sound, the feel, the steering, everything. Same reason why an F430 is better than a 997tt no matter how fast the 997tt.

    The 997tt only has more power stock, once you start modding, you can exceed it with the BMW as many have.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Sticky we are not talking about cars other than the e92 M3 the R35 GTR and 997TT
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    You could spend as much or more on a m3 and you couldn't even touch this 997tt
    You could spend a lot less on an M3 including the car and top it. With an E92 M3 you need to build the motor and we will see what they offer compared to it.

    Car and Driver has it right.

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    Who here is talking about fun factor? In what world is a m3 faster around a track than a 997tt stock for stock

    so you want to talk about SC M3 vs STOCK TT. Yeah my Tuned 335i is faster than a Gallardo but in no way it is better than it
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
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    You could spend a lot less on an M3 including the car and top it. With an E92 M3 you need to build the motor and we will see what they offer compared to it.

    Car and Driver has it right.
    So that would make a 135i better than a m3 because with less $ you can tune a 135i to beat a 997TT
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    Any way you put it a M3 is not close to a 997TT in performance
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Who here is talking about fun factor? In what world is a m3 faster around a track than a 997tt stock for stock

    so you want to talk about SC M3 vs STOCK TT. Yeah my Tuned 335i is faster than a Gallardo but in no way it is better than it
    The M3 isn't faster stock for stock due to the power differential but when the cars were tested together around Laguna Seca the M3 was only 4/10's off the turbo and quicker than the 997 facelift. It was making up the power differential vs. the 997tt in the corners. There is a reason the M3 has been picked as the best handling car.

    Exactly, what is faster in a straight line does not make one car better than another, so why you were boiling it down to what car runs 9's on street tires I have no idea.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Any way you put it a M3 is not close to a 997TT in any way
    Why not? It handles better, is more usable, has real seats, is better balanced, and isn't on an outdated platform.

    What does the 997tt have on it? A higher price tag? It isn't more fun to drive and that matters. The fact that M3 has been compared to the 997tt and GTR and come out on top just goes to show how amazing it is.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The M3 isn't faster stock for stock due to the power differential but when the cars were tested together around Laguna Seca the M3 was only 4/10's off the turbo and quicker than the 997 facelift. It was making up the power differential vs. the 997tt in the corners. There is a reason the M3 has been picked as the best handling car.

    Exactly, what is faster in a straight line does not make one car better than another, so why you were boiling it down to what car runs 9's on street tires I have no idea.

    Because you cant get a e92 M3 in the 9s with 45k and by the time you do ( which is never going to happen) you would have spent more than 997TT plus the SPI kit combined.
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    Buddy the M3 is not in the same league as this cars in any way. Only in your mind it is.
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why not? It handles better, is more usable, has real seats, is better balanced, and isn't on an outdated platform.

    What does the 997tt have on it? A higher price tag? It isn't more fun to drive and that matters. The fact that M3 has been compared to the 997tt and GTR and come out on top just goes to show how amazing it is.
    If you compare cars based on that then the GTR is better than 997TT and the e92 M3


    The only reason it was compared to them was to sell magazines
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Because you cant get a e92 M3 in the 9s with 45k and by the time you do ( which is never going to happen) you would have spent more than 997TT plus the SPI kit combined.
    What are you basing this on? We will see what mine does. Look at the HPF M3's and the power they are putting down, for less than what it would take to get a 997tt there. The BMW motors are more efficient with boost once you are modding.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    If you compare cars based on that then the GTR is better 997TT and the e92 M3


    The only reason it was compared to them was to sell magazines
    The 135 isn't more fun to drive than the M3 and the powerplant doesn't compare to the S65 V8.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Buddy the M3 is not in the same league as this cars in any way. Only in your mind it is.
    My mind and that of a leading publication. I mean, it is my opinion. I respect all the cars but chose the one I wanted.

    The 997tt is great, but a Japanese car for less money has been showing it up.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    Why not? It handles better, is more usable, has real seats, is better balanced, and isn't on an outdated platform.

    What does the 997tt have on it? A higher price tag? It isn't more fun to drive and that matters. The fact that M3 has been compared to the 997tt and GTR and come out on top just goes to show how amazing it is.

    If you compare cars based on that then the GTR is better than 997TT and the e92 M3


    The only reason it was compared to them was to sell magazines
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    So the M3 loses to the 997TT and the GTR in every aspect

    What does the m3 do that is better than them?
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    If you compare cars based on that then the GTR is better than 997TT and the e92 M3


    The only reason it was compared to them was to sell magazines
    So the reason it won and the M3 wins basically every comparison from the time of the E30 is all about a magazine conspriracy? The M3 is a better all around car than either of those. Once modded, it is about who spends more money. No reason an M3 can't run with hte top offerings and the HPF cars as well as the turbo E36's have proven that.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    The 135 isn't more fun to drive than the M3 and the powerplant doesn't compare to the S65 V8.
    Why? Because you said so? saying the 135i is more fun is like saying the m3 is more fun than the 997TT so they are both valid right?
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    I could say the Miata has more soul and that it is more fun to drive but its not going to be better than the m3. do you get it. fun factor is subjective so it isn't something you can measure this cars by and state a winner

    That article showed only that for those writers the m3 was a winner but it is not real fact
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    So the M3 loses to the 997TT and the GTR in every aspect

    What does the m3 do that is better than them?
    How does it lose to the 997tt and GTR in every aspect? Better balance, real rear seats, manual AND dct, less money, and more fun to drive.

    They are all great cars, but you are placing the others on too high of a pedestal. The Gallardo rules the day based on your criteria, just get a UGR kit and smoke everything in site and have a car more exclusive and better looking than the 997tt or GTR.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    I could say the Miata has more soul and that it is more fun to drive but its not going to be better than the m3. do you get it. fun factor is subjective so it isn't something you can measure this cars by and state a winner
    Fun factor is subjective but it seems there are others who agree with me. A miata is a lot of fun to drive and hard to beat for fun factor in a roadster. The M3 isn't a roadster though and neither are either of these, compare it to the Boxster.

    It isn't something you can tally up (unless you are Car and Driver), it is subjective, and I prefer an M3 to a GTR or 997. Others don't, and that is the beauty, we have choices.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Sticky Click here to enlarge
    How does it lose to the 997tt and GTR in every aspect? Better balance, real rear seats, manual AND dct, less money, and more fun to drive.

    They are all great cars, but you are placing the others on too high of a pedestal. The Gallardo rules the day based on your criteria, just get a UGR kit and smoke everything in site and have a car more exclusive and better looking than the 997tt or GTR.
    Here we go with tuning again. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper and not making sense.

    Step back and forget you own a e92 M3.

    You know that if you want a budget the GTR wins over the M3 and the 997
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    This isnt about choices or beautifulness of your right as a human being its about fact

    and based on fact and not opinion the GTR and the 997TT are better cars than a M3 stock or tuned
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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    Here we go with tuning again. You are digging yourself deeper and deeper and not making sense.

    Step back and forget you own a e92 M3.

    You know that if you want a budget the GTR wins over the M3 and the 997
    You are the one that mentioned the Switzer kit, right? So now we forget about tuning?

    If you are on a budget and can't mod, the GTR is a nice value and a fantastic car. I would rather have a stock M3 than a stock GTR.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by FR305 Click here to enlarge
    This isnt about choices or beautifulness of your right as a human being its about fact

    and based on fact and not opinion the GTR and the 997TT are better cars than a M3
    No, your opinion is that the GTR and 997tt are better cars, that is not fact. It is completely subjective and others seem to feel M3 is the better overall car.

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    We either compare them all tuned or all stock and whichever it is the 997 and the GTR are better based on the fact that the m3 is not as fast either way we compared them
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